How does an OPA work?

I am a bit confused about how OPAs work. My questions are as follows:

  1. Let's say I use an OPA with dual, simmetric supply. I do not put anything to its inputs. If there is no voltage difference between the two input pins, how will output work? Will it be 0V or something else?

  1. What if I use the OPA with single supply? The same case ( no voltage difference between inputs ). What voltage will I measure on the output? Near 0V? ( I know, the voltage on the output cannot reach

0, except the OPA is rail-to-rail. Let's say it is a non rail-to-rail kind. ) Half of the supply voltage?

  1. What if I use the OPA with +10V for positive and -3V for negativ supply. Would it work at all?

Thanks for your replies, Zsolt ( from Hungary )

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Zed
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Ideally, the output is at zero volts when the difference between the two inputs is zero. In real life, this isn't what happens.

For many op-amps the output really follows a rule like:

Vout = Vneg + K1 * (IN1 - IN2 + Voff)

where: Vneg is the minus supply of the op-amp K1 is a huge number like a million IN1 is the non-invering input IN2 is the inverting input Voff is the offset voltage of this op-amp

Because K1 is so huge, even a tiny voltage difference between IN1 and IN2 matters more than it does, so we can drop it from the equation when we don't need a perfectly accurate description. This makes the equation:

Vout = K1 * (IN1 - IN2 + Voff)

Voff is usually such a small number that in most cases, we don't need to worry about it so we can drop it too.

Vout = K1 * (IN1 - IN2)

Now lets use this to figure the gain of a simple inverting op-amp.

First we need to say that the inputs of an op-amp draw no current. This isn't really true but the current they do draw is usually so small that it can be ignored.

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R1 R2 Vin-----/\\/\\------+-------\\/\\/-------+-------Vout ! ! ! ! --!-\\ ! ! >------------ GND-------!+/

Lets make R1 and R2 equal and 1K and K1 a million.

We will work from the output back to the input. Assume Vout = 1V

Remember: Vout = K1 * (IN1 - IN2)

Rearrange:

(IN1 - IN2) = Vout/K1

IN1 = 0 so IN2 = -1V/K1 = -0.000001V

R2 has a voltage of 1V - (-0.000001V) = 1.000001V on it

R2 has 1.000001V and is 1K so I= 1.000001mA

R1 has 1.000001mA and is 1K so it drops 1.000001V

IN2 is at -0.000001V so the Vin must be at:

(-0.000001) - 1.000001 = 1.000002V

The gain of this circuit is Vout/Vin so it is

1V / 1.000002V = 0.999998

This is so close to R2/R1 that there is no reason not to just say it is R2/R1.

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MooseFET

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