If you've got an older Mac and you just want drawings without any of the extras, try Claris Works 4. I can let you have a library of symbols I have built up over the years, or you can easily make your own.
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I first used a student version of that 12+ years ago, then later a "real" version (but with only analog sim, not with digital sim like the manager SAID he had ordered... ahem ...). A year or two ago there was still a student version available on some college website, it may still be there.
It's still my favorite schematic entry tool. I've used LTSPice for simulation but I still dislike the schematic entry/editor.
For user friendliness PSpice Schematics wins hands down!
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LTspice (SwitcherCAD) is probably the simplest to use. ExpressSCH which is a stansalone program that you get when you download the ExpressPCB package isn't quite as simple, but still easy to use and produces nicer schematics. Tinycad is pretty simple, but it was pretty buggy the last time it.
Mike
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It was the first simulation software that you could run on your abacus. ;-)
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If you dont like EAGLE or pspice, you could get cadstandard,
Steve Roberts
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Another option is to use IMSI TurboCAD
Paul
I tried this just now (since I use the free EAGLE for small personal boards; saves spending ages hacking around footprints in gEDA), and they seem to have dropped this approach, at least to some degree. I'm currently using
5.2.0, and a bit of Googling netted me 4.16R2 plus a keygen. The generated key appeared to work fine in 4.16R2 (no longer dimensionally limited in the PCB editor), but schematics/boards generated by this version *worked fine* when loaded into 5.2.0. To check to make sure I wasn't doing anything silly, I hunted down EAGLE 4.11e plus a keygen, and the schematics from this version were flagged by 4.16R2 but *not* 5.2.0.So it looks like they might have backpedalled on this issue. Or I may just have got lucky. I wouldn't recommend on relying on this behaviour though.
I'm actually in the process of buying the standard version for work, so this is actually quite useful information. I'll try and get an proper statment out of them about whether this is still the case or not. If they still do it (or if they won't give an answer), I'm definately backing out of the order - if it stuffs up any of the layouts, I'm the one who'll cop the flak for recommending it. Much safer to go with gEDA, which worst case just makes things take a little longer.
[...]Yup, this is the one thing I miss in gEDA and the like. I don't really use the backward annotation that much (and could do without it), but the forward annotation makes revision cycles shorter. Not to mention that it's a lot easier to get gEDA/PCB out of sync than EAGLE.
I don't know how EAGLE would fare on a bigger project, since I've only got the free version. However, I suspect that limitations in the PCB side (length matching is difficult, differential pairs even more so, for example) would bite before the layout editor would.
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Michael Brown wrote:
You misunderstand the issue.
*The things you tried* DID NOT trigger the DRM.
Using a keygen will produce a new valid-looking key each time it is used. The DRM mechanism that Cadsoft uses relies on a *database* of illicit keys known by them to be in the wild.
**Re-using in your design, a component which was created by someone using one of those illicit numbers** triggers the LOCKS YOU OUT OF YOUR WORK PRODUCT issue where *one* tainted object in the file locks the WHOLE file. *You* using a keygen didn't get at the heart of the issue.The problem arises when you innocently re-use a library part that was created by *someone else*, known by Cadsoft to be a pirate
**and the item isn't flagged by the software RIGHT THEN as illicit.**It's the *guilt by association* thing that is infuriating.
...dirt and sharp stick is modern. I started with chisel and stone ;-)
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Uh,I think dirt/sharp stick came before chisel/stone.
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Same with DesignCAD-3D. Has lots of schematic symbols but so far I only used it for mechanical stuff. I bought an older version from one of the liquidator stores for ten bucks (!). I thought this would backfire at me during vendor registration but lo and behold they emailed me the 2nd part of the license key within less than one minute.
BTW, JPEG is definitely not a proper format for schematics. Use a vector graphics format if you can, or at least PNG.
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The suggestions are very good so far, but I'm looking for something to create circuits to be printed, with support to write equations on the circuits and have some way to keep track of the size of everything so it doesn't appear stretched out.
I can't for the life of me find a good solution. How the hell do electronics and electrical engineering books get written?
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Microsoft Word... (I know, just hear me out!).. has a drawing toolbar and there are many add-ons you can purchase. Marry MS Word up with Microsoft Equations 3.0 and you've got a pretty powerful authoring too. Albeit, one that you have to take some time to learn and become familiar with.
You'll have to dig for Equations 3.0 (might even be a higher rev by now?) It used to be on the original Word (Office) install disks, but would only install if you selected the right options on initial install (buried pretty deeply, as I recall). I presume you can go back and just load Equations, but I can't swear to it.
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