Can a single single supply op amp be used as a summing circuit?
Oct 07, 2009 55 Replies
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Andrew
Hello, I have a 0 - 5V signal and I want to scale it to 1 to 5V. With dual supply op amps, this would be easy, using a summer and an inverter. But I don't have dual supplies available, so all I have is one positive supply. Is there any way to create Vout = 0.8*Vin + 1?
thanks, AG
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John Larkin
What a coincidence: there's a thread in s.e.b. that discusses this at length.
John
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Andy
If you read the thread, you would also know that I was unable to get an answer.
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Bill Sloman
On Oct 8, 12:41=A0am, Andy wrote:
Seems odd. This seems to work in LTSpice. The 1.25V voltage reference could be any one of number of three-terminal references, such as the
1.25V version of the Linear Technology LT1790
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John Larkin
It takes two resistors. That's stated a couple of times over there.
John
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Andy
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What is your point in replying? Why take the time to post at all if you have nothing to add? I post questions because I am looking for answers. Perhaps you can explain how a voltage divider circuit can create a voltage offset, as opposed to simply a voltage scaling.
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John Larkin
It was explained in s.e.b. in words. OK, here it is in pictures:
Add single-supply opamp input and/or output followers as your application may need them. Scale the resistors if that suits.
John
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Phil Allison
"Andy the Witless"
Perhaps you can explain how a voltage divider circuit can create a voltage offset, as opposed to simply a voltage scaling.
** Cos one end of it is connected to the 5V rail ...
The assumption is being made that your 0-5V source can sink current too.
.... Phil
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George Herold
What? Was the solution too simple for you? Or is there some reason it won't work?
George H.
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John Fields
You weren\'t unable to get an answer, you were unable to "get" the
answer. ;)
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John Fields
It was explained in pictures too.
The part he didn't get was that the output was referred to ground, not to the input voltage:
GND>-----------------------------gnd
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John Fields
No wonder you can\'t get work. ;)
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John Fields
What\'s the point in getting nasty?
We showed you, in exquisite detail, how the magic trick works, so why is
it our fault if you can\'t execute it?
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Jim Thompson
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Case in point, what's-his-face posted, when he ran out of rope:
"What is your point in replying? Why take the time to post at all if you have nothing to add? I post questions because I am looking for answers. Perhaps you can explain how a voltage divider circuit can create a voltage offset, as opposed to simply a voltage scaling."
It's as if, he thinks, even though it's all been explained to him, time and time again and he doesn't understand it, it's his teachers' fault that he's stupid.
I think he needs to look at his lineage...
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Jim Thompson
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John Fields
Sure.
R1, R2, V2.
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Jim Thompson
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The OP wanted a 1V offset. This requires some kind of reference voltage - V2 in my circuit.
You can use a power supply rail as a reference voltage; power rails are rarely tightly specified, and they tend to be noisy. Your customers are obviously pretty undemanding - they wouldn't be your customers otherwise - but the people I've worked for have been into joined-up words and stable offsets.
Where were you going to get your offset?
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