Boost Converter Tutorial?

Feb 11, 2012 65 Replies

I have a Fairchild app note: AN-4105 that I've refereed to on occasion. Its for their line of power switch products, but its got some block diagrams, formulas, graphs and whatnot that are generic and describe operational issues.

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Why does a self-proclaimed Master Circuit Designer need a tutorial on something so basic? And why can't he use Google to find it?

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Thanks! Looks like a good reference. ...Jim Thompson

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If you were paying attention, and not just out to be a horse's ass, you'd note that I said I'd done a low current discontinuous _boost_ regulator many years ago, but not done a PWM continuous mode before.

But I am indeed a master circuit designer. SPECIFY me a function and I can do it. I just didn't (note the past tense) know the intricacies of fancy boost regulators ;-)

Google yields piles of unqualified crap. Friends give guidance, for which I am greatly appreciative! You are an enemy out to convince everyone how brilliant you are, at the expense of anyone who gets in your way. In fact, you're mediocrity personified. And, if you think it's so basic, give us all a primer. We're all in need of a good laugh ;-) ...Jim Thompson

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"Aggro"? Oh, my, how cute! If you ignored it, then there's no way you could have determined whether it was suitable or not.

Perhaps Ian, upon completion of his engineering degree, will grace us with an elegant solution to the hub dynamo problem ?:-)

My only regret is that I wasted time trying to help Ian. It'll not happen again. ...Jim Thompson

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Well? Then show us how wonderful your design is.

You "ignore" because you are "ignorant". ...Jim Thompson

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"Jim Thompson" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

Thought you were running the math, not your mouth!

I think neither is probable.

Gosh, just how much help was he?

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Dunno' - these days I just stand back and watch the amusing antics.

OK it is not in my proper range of expertise, but there has to be a = reason that the device is not 2.5 mm by 10 mm (or even more square). Can you enlighten us?

Somewhere I believe LCD was mentioned. Typically TFTs have a little silicon chip cemented to the glass, providing interface (parallel, serial, whatever), control (for at least a buffer, if not some rudimentary fill routines), memory, and most importantly, the massive fanout (hundreds of rows and columns) required to drive the array itself (which is mainly crummy amorphous transistors driving pads which finally drive the liquid crystal). Last one I busted open had a shiny strip maybe 2 x 15 mm, a hi-def panel would have a lot more. Probably progress has been made since then and only a 1mm strip is required.

Putting inductors anywhere near one of those will be an interesting challenge, because the few components that come with are soldered to the flex cable. This includes bypass caps, which you may know from experience do not handle strain very well...

Tim

Deep Friar: a very philosophical monk. Website: http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms "josephkk" wrote in message news:3iqrj7psde7l8bmg7g78vnbm94tjvrgopj@4ax.com... On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:22:38 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: >In the past I have designed boost converters in burst mode, with peak >current control, but never with a PWM-controlled loop. > >Outputs: +5 @ 25mA, -5V @ 20mA > >Can someone point me to a tutorial? > >Thanks! > >[Don't point me to an off-the-shelf part. This has to go into a >_custom_ chip... just a little thing... 1mm x 25mm :-] > > ...Jim Thompson OK it is not in my proper range of expertise, but there has to be a reason that the device is not 2.5 mm by 10 mm (or even more square). Can you enlighten us?

I suspect it's a 1 mm sliver of a larger IC. Dicing yield would be a problem with something 40 thou wide and an inch long, not to mention the tendency of the chips to fall over. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 845-480-2058 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

Nope. The real deal is 1mm x 25mm, with 480 "bumps". And this client just sold their BILLIONETH chip, so they're not amateurs. ...Jim Thompson

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Here's a smaller example of this genre of chip:

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11mm x 1.21mm.

They're used in zillions of LCD (and I guess OLED) panels in all kinds of consumer goods (cell phones, GPS units, printer and camera displays etc. etc.

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

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Yes ;-) ...Jim Thompson

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In ways I will apply for patent, then explain ;-) ...Jim Thompson

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So it's totally wacky then.

:)

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Continuous-mode PWM boost is just one baby step past trivial. All you minimally need to do is limit the ON duty cycle to a modest amount past what you need to overcome losses, to avoid the 100% ON singularity. It's been done zillions of times. If a uP is generating the PWM, you can do a smart algorithm with nice ramp-ups and stable current limiting.

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