Re: OT Re: CFLs - retrofitting low ESR capacitors

Trevor Wilson · 2011-09-21T04:58:26+00:00

**I don't. And YOU don't know of a lamp that can heat a house (or cool one) either. Using lights to warm a home is insane. Pretty much like everything else you've posted.**No one disputes that. Production of almost any manufactured item causes some kind of pollution. That is why regulators ensure that the pollution created is dealt with appropriately. Fortunately, LEDs last a VERY long time and consume small amounts of material, so total pollution remains low.**Did the manufacturing process of computer you are presently using cause zero pollution? Are you insane?**I am well aware of that. I am also a supporter of organisations that attempt to minimise pollution caused by large manufacturers of many products. Are you?**Like I said: I contribute financially to several organisations that are active in trying to ensure that people less fortunate than I am are not subject to pollution from large companies. Do you?**The manufacture of glass, steel and tungsten is a very energy intensive process. Combined with the extremely short life-span of incandescent lamps and their monsterous inefficiency (Less than 5%) contributes to huge amounts of CO2. CFLs and LEDs cause far less CO2 to be emitted, both in manufacture and in operation over the life of the product. CO2 affects every human on the planet.**Like I said before.....**Geez! You think I keep the packaging? Get real.**Like I said before: Both the LEDs and the CFLs were packed in cardboard, whilst the incandescent was packed in cardboard and plastic.**WFT are you smoking?**Incorrect.**No. It is a REAL number, verified by many users. Myself included. NONE of my CFLs have failed. Not one. OTOH, I've replaced many incandescents over the same period, despite the fact that they accrue VASTLY fewer hours of use.**You're either:* Lying.* Buying cheap, crappy CFLs* Using them in enclosed fittings.**Strawman.**I'm referring to first generation white LEDs. So how many of those buggers does it take**Irrelevant. They have lasted...

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josephkk 14 years ago

Unfortunately for you, Trevor, the idiots seem to be IPCC employees.

Go case by case and prove them not idiots, beware the fundamental problem of times arrow in the causality claims, any failure in temporal order breaks the case. That is science.

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