OT: carbon polls in daily telegraph. Interesting results.

** You have claimed over and over that it is " science".

But you have no clue what science is so we cannot debate it.

Your reasoning is the same as some f****it bible basher shouting

" This is the Word of the Lord .... ".

or some such drivel.

.... Phil

**I made no such claim. I simply accept the science, as presented here:

and by this man:

Here, OTOH, are your claims (that you have yet to substantiate):

--
"It (climatology) is no more a science than Scientology is.

So called climatologists ( they invented the subject and dubbed themselves
with the misleading title ) do not perform experiments, have never made
successful predictions about the future climate and are generally laughed at
by real scientists as obvious fakes and opportunists."

"Trevor Wilson = Bible Basher "

** You have claimed over and over that it is " science".

But you have no clue what science is so we cannot debate it.

Your reasoning is the same as some f****it bible basher shouting

" This is the Word of the Lord .... ".

or some such drivel.

.... Phil

**I made no such claim. I simply accept the science, as presented here:

and by this man:

Here, OTOH, are your claims (that you have yet to substantiate):

--
"It (climatology) is no more a science than Scientology is.

So called climatologists ( they invented the subject and dubbed themselves
with the misleading title ) do not perform experiments, have never made
successful predictions about the future climate and are generally laughed at
by real scientists as obvious fakes and opportunists."

"Trevor Wilson"

** There it is !!!!

The magic word you refuse to discuss !!!!

Cos you are an utter moron with no clue what it refers to.

.... Phil

"Phil Allison" wrote in news:987al4F3diU1 @mid.individual.net:

Thats a great "gotcha"!

**PA's careful avoidance of answering any questions is not a "gotcha". PA's careful avoidance of the science is not a "gotcha". It's just ignorance. PA's refusal to pose questions to a climatologist, is not a "gotcha".

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

** You refuse to explain your own choice of words. ** Is TW using the word " science " in its religious sense ?

Sure looks that way.

** Do not ever dream of telling me what to do

- you PITA wanker.

.... Phil

you retarded or what , its the NATURAL OCCURING CHANGES TAHT WE SEE, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MAN MADE CO2 ..

YOU SPASTIC MOOORI> ...

...

LOL. Can you prove that negative?

-- [Rain as the origin of SLR:] The slow rise of sea level is caused by rain. Water transfer the soil to see. The acceleration during the last 50 years is caused by using gas and oil instead of coal. Gas and oil are changed into water during combustion. So the slow or the accelerated rise of sea level is not a problem.

-- Szczepan Bialek , 28 May 2011 09:50 +0200

Isn't that what was said to the people that claimed the Earth was round and those that claimed the Earth was not the centre of the universe.

How many times have our illustrious scientists told us something that was "absoloutely correct" only to have the claim proved wrong later? And usually not just one scientist but hundreds and thousands of them.

Climate change is absolutely true - it happens every day and everywhere. AWG on the other hand is not proven to be true, except by the people that want to make money out of it. And the UN is the biggest proponent of AWG to keep us all scared!

-- Sell your surplus electronic components at

Search or browse for that IC, capacitor, crystal or other component you need. Or find new components at

Exactly right That sums it up perfectly..

"Alan" "Trevor Wilson"

** The history of modern science is less than 200 years old.

A flat, earthed centred universe was a religious notion.

** You tell us. ** Prior to the discovery of nuclear energy, how the stars worked was a mystery. ** Scare people and you can control them.

Bureaucrats are all control freaks.

So are most Greenies.

.... Phil

You are making a basic mistake in deriding these individuals none of whom have credentials in these subject and do not claim to. They are getting their material from others who are working in these fields,I don't know who they are or their credentials. The only sin is their repeating the material you disagree with which is automatically wrong by your thinking.

In the old days, people who didn't think the earth was flat, or disputed that the earth was the centre of the universe tended to live very short and miserable lives. Usually locked up, burnt at the stake etc.

Any scientist who has demonstrated that AGW is a total crock is not treated much better as far as their career and reputation is concerned. A witch hunt soon starts. We just haven't got back to the burning at the stake.............yet.

One thing is true throughout time, those who have the power and money and decide that something is a certain way, in order to gain advantage, to control people, to rip them off etc ALWAYS attack those who can prove them wrong.

Justice, science, government policy etc simply is a commodity, and where possible it does and says exactly what the highest/most powerful bidder tells it to.

...

You are confused about which ones are the scientists. :)

The scientists are the ones that go out and measure things that confirm or not an initial hypothesis.

The ones saying "we don't accept your logic or your measurements; it's all a gigantic hoax -- our holy writings say something else is true" are the denialists.

--
Scientists are always changing their story and as a Conservative, I
have no tolerance for ambiguity.  It proves that all science is lies 
and the only thing we can trust is right wing rhetoric.
-- BONZO@27-32-240-172 [100 nyms and counting], 14 Jan 2011 14:46 +1100

How true a statement this is.

Just had a look at your cite Trevor, Arrhenius was brilliant - no doubt - he also thought global warming would be a good thing, not a bad thing !!! Arrhenius thought the natural increase in CO2 caused by the increased human influence would avert an ice age and a potential mass starvation due to lack of food- something that clever man thought would be much worse than any warming trend. You can grow plants in a greenhouse but not in freezer, something that has been overlooked.

And that is one of the points that is being glossed over these days - given that the earth is warming (for whatever reason)), isn't it a huge risk not to spend most of the available money on adapting to the trend to ensure the survival of our species by focussing on food production instead of wasting it on futile attempts to reverse what may be inevitable climate change? (This is already happening, of course. The smart money is going to research projects around the world that are developing food crops that will thrive in the expected warmer conditions.) We are going to run out of fossil fuels when all the oil, coal and gas is extracted, so the atmospheric CO2 from humans cannot increase forever. There is a natural brake on how long us feeble humans can influence atmospheric CO2. And if global warming continues for centuries after we have stopped burning fossil fuels because some other factor takes over, we will have wasted our time and effort in pandering to contemporary political pressures, eh?

i`ll top[ post all i want you newbie , , uu rage audio rip off , you sure yyou not selling any wooden volume control knobs that give you that real smooooooooooth sound ???

the Nakamichi PA-7 power amplifier your selling for $ 1800 ?? your joking arent you , your lucky its worth half that ...

i also have no interest in a child that rips people of with amps , that they think are worh alot of money.... why do you think you know anything about audio ??? its clear to me that you dont.