Reviewing a cheap CRT degaussing wand

Hi all. This post is a review of the cheap "green stick" CRT degaussing wands, as I haven't found much discussion of them and some other repairers of vintage monitors may find it useful.

CRT degaussing tools seem to be hard to find these days. Occasional used ones come up for sale, and there are still some to be found in the US. However, in the UK they're near-unobtainable. The main source seems to be eBay sellers in China, all of whom are selling the same type: a wand- style degausser in a green plastic shell. So, having a couple of CRTs with purity problems, I bought one to see if it would do any good.

The wand cost about 15 GBP and arrived within a couple of weeks. There was no documentation included, leaving me with just the specs given in the eBay listing, which read:

-Relative magnetic field: 70MT

-Load current: 1A

-Working hours: 20 seconds

-Power: 220V

-Specifications: About 31*31*200(mm)

The outer shell is some soft semi-translucent plastic (polythene?), and feels extremely cheap. A momentary switch pokes out of the top of the casing (a momentary switch is good, as it stops me accidentally leaving the coil energised).

The wand came with a moulded two-prong plug, which I had to cut off to fit a UK plug. And... I have never seen mains cable that thin before. It is, at least, double insulated, but the conductors are at most 28AWG and possibly even thinner (it's hard to measure stranded cable, but the diameter is somewhere around 0.25mm to 0.35mm). The strain relief clamp in the UK plug wouldn't even hold the cable until I wrapped some extra plastic around it. Oof. Looking at the ampacity ratings on the Wikipedia article for American Wire Gauge, that cable must be very close to, if not exceeding, its recommended current rating. It feels worryingly plausible that someone, somewhere made the calculation "it's fine, if they push the button for too long the coil will burn out before the cable insulation melts".

However, the tool does what it's supposed to and noticeably reduced the blotches visible on the CRT display. I used the standard technique of powering the coil from a couple of metres away, bringing it up to the CRT face, circling it around a couple of times, then smoothly backing away two or three metres before switching off again. I definitely recommend sticking to the stated maximum of 20 seconds continuous operation and letting the wand cool fully before using it again. The heat seems to take a few seconds to conduct to the outside of the casing, so it's not until after you've switched it off that you feel how warm it's really getting.

I popped the end cap off the casing to take a look inside, but haven't disassembled it further. Strain relief is just a knot in the mains cable. I don't see any current limiting apart from the coil itself. The coil is wrapped around a core of steel plates, and seems to have some more plastic insulation around it. The non-business end of the coil seems to have some copper mesh shielding. Hooking the whole thing up to a component tester, coil resistance measures around 140 ohms, with an inductance of 320mH.

In summary,

Pros:

- Cheap.

- Does what it's supposed to.

Cons:

- Not particularly sturdy.

- Probably not the safest thing ever, use with caution.

If there were better-quality tools available, I would definitely buy those instead. But there weren't, and this one did at least provide the functionality I needed.

HTH, Rayner

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Rayner Lucas
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I use a large Weller Soldering Gun when I can't find one of the degaussing coils in the shop...

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John Robertson

I also used the Weller or what ever Gun I had handy on the old CRTs.

Just about any coil of wire will work that does not draw too much current.

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Ralph Mowery

Oh, that's a neat idea, I never thought to try a heating coil. I did consider making my own, but with no idea what spec to aim for, buying one seemed like it had a better chance of success :-)

Rayner

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Rayner Lucas
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Back, umm... 1977ish.. (*whew*) I took a slotted steel wallmount bookcase rail (about 1/4 by 1/2 inch by 4 feet), wrapped some, umm, probably #18 lampcord around it, and wired it to a 12VAC transformer.

I added in something like a 50 watt 120vac lamp (lighbulb) in series as a current limiter.

Yeah, I had no idea what I was doing.

Anyway, I then plugged this into a 120VAC power strip, put on some safety gloves and goggles, held it near the tv, and had my friend turn on the power strip.

It worked!

1990ish I used a handheld Radio Shack brand tape degausser for the same purpose. And yes, it worked, too.

So these things are doable...

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danny burstein

You need something that puts out a large AC field - like the unshielded transformer used in soldering guns.

An electric heating coil has a very small magnetic field, I'd say it was most unlikely to be useful for degaussing...

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John Robertson

Ah, thanks, I get it now! I don't have a soldering gun, but it would certainly have been a lot easier to find one for sale than a degaussing coil. Or I guess I could've looked around for something else with a transformer I could salvage.

Rayner

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Rayner Lucas

John Robertson wrote: ==================

** Utter nonsense.

Such trannies radiate SFA mag fileld.

** But that is *not* what a soldering gun loop is.

Single turn sure - but a carrying about 250 amps !!.

So, at close range the same as a 25 turn coil carrying 10 amps.

Much like the example I posted earlier that WORKED like a treat.

...... Phil

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Phil Allison

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Guys and gals - these things are available OTC here in the US. Why not in t he UK? Oh, but they are:

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For a one-off use, I would likely stick to the soldering gun - does the tri ck, even if used "off-label". I bring my 100/300 watt Craftsman gun to Kutz town for the occasional chassis connection, and it is as often as not borro wed by the TV guys for cleaning up the old TV pictures, but seldom for sold ering.

But if I had to do this every day, or even every week, I would likely inves t in a purpose-built device from a reliable maker and reliable source. As I am fond of writing: The Internet is your friend!

Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

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Peter W.

I thought most crt screens had a coil around then that helped degauss them every time they are turned on. Unless someone puts a magnet near the screen I doubt that many would need degausing.

With almost everything switching to the flat screens there is probably very little need for a dedicated degausing coil unless your shop specilizes in restoring old electronics. Hard for me to see any shop or one doing much work would not have a soldering gun that could be used. Maybe many do not know the soldering gun could be used.

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Ralph Mowery

They do. And, whereas I am not in the vintage CRT hobby, there are any numb er of applications and any number of reasons why the on-board degausser may not be there, adequate, or even functional. There was (RIP) an individual not far away whose hobby was restoring video arcade games - commercial gra de - with the big Curtis-Mathis CRTs in them. And he had half-a-dozen (at l east) degaussers of various types and natures that he used regularly. But, apparently, failure of the on-board degausser was common enough that he was prepared.

I keep some small, but very powerful magnets with me most of the time - is that painted pipe steel, copper, or possibly something else? Or that light can? What grade stainless *might* that be? And they will stick to most flat

-screens - but not cause any distortion. But get one within 10" or so of t he big Sony 32" CRT TV (c. 2001) at home and watch the show. Of course, the on-board coil works on that one, still.

Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA

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Peter W.

Ralph Mowery wrote: =================

** Correct = ALL crt colour TVs and monitors have automatic degaussing at switch on. Most monitors have user operated de-gaussing as well.

TV techs may need a de-gausser for that rare event you mentioned .

** Such guns are getting hard to find. Demand is so low, few wholesalers stock them.

..... Phil

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Phil Allison

Except for the shops that restore old devices with CRTs in them I doubt that very many shops even work on the CRT units. You can buy some of the newer LCDs for what it would cost for many shops to look at the older sets of the same size screens. I am not sure if any TV sets that had the CRTs in them are even capabile of the new format of the TV signals with out a converter.

I do know of one man and wife that still use the old set with the satalite dish. To top it all off he was an electronics engineer with the Bell and Western Electric system. He is 80 years old and somehow seems to mostly be stuck in the years before transistors. He is a ham radio operator and has much gear produced from about 1930 to 1970 and can work on that with no problem.

Local wholesellers may not stock them,but there are plenty on the internet. Even Home Depot has them for about $ 45. About 5 years ago I bought just the replacement housing for a gun I have had over 50 years. I had dropped it several times during that time and the last time finished off the housing. As just a hobbiest I do not use one very much, but do not see how I could get along with out one. I do use the SMD rework hot air and small iron most of the time.

You did jog my memory. I remember monitors that had the degauss switch on them. They probably put that on them as many of the computers did have speakers with magnets close to the screen.

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Ralph Mowery

Ralph Mowery wrote: ==================

** Never seen a PC speaker that did NOT use shielded magnets on the drivers.

FYI Consists of a second ferrite ring magnet to cancel external fields - plus a steel cover..

..... Phil

Reply to
Phil Allison

Some soldering guns use a hairpin winding on a toroid core; those do NOT give external field, they're self-shieding, but a 5" diameter simple wire loop connected instead of the short tip will do a degaussing task adequately.

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whit3rd

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** I have read that a magnet attached to the chuck of a power drill, running at high speed, can also be used to demag a TV tube.

Never tried it - seems a bit dodgy.

...... Phil

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Phil Allison

Small wonder, as hardly anyone uses a CRT these days... Normally when a CRT TV needs some form of repair, it will join its fellows in the recycling bin.

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Rob

I can envision some Einstein attaching a magnet to a drill with cellophane tape, and watching in stunned horror as the magnet flies off and smashes the glass top coffee table..

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ohger1s

You think? Seems an understatement for you, Phil...

Or explodes the picture tube!

John :-#(#

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John Robertson

cellophane tape, and watching in stunned horror as the magnet flies off and smashes the glass top coffee table..

I used to walk to school (in the 1950s) beside a canal in Bristol (UK). There was a girder footbridge over this canal, and small kids had somehow acquired duff CRTs and would carry them half across this bridge in order to watch them smash into the water. Happy to say I never actually saw a child burst one on the girders...

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