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water into wine doesn't create or kill any micro-organisms. The miracle wou ld have by-passed the phase that involved micro-organisms, as both you and Dennis Miller should have known. It would have involved the transmutation o f elements (to get carbon for the ethanol, from the oxygen and hydrogen nuc lei in the water, amongst others) but that's what miracles are about.

Sure I do. It's was a miracle. The basic facts are that Jesus is claimed to have started off with water, and ended up with wine, which does imply the transmutation of at least some hydrogen or oxygen nuclei into carbon nuclei . The people who dreamed up the original claim may not have understood quit e how how much they were claiming.

I don't, as it happens. However Jim Thompsons's post was about what would h appen if it did, and I'm perfectly happy to explore the consequences of suc h a hypothetical event. Dennis Miller does strike me as having failed in hi s comprehension of what would have been going on.

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g water into wine doesn't create or kill any micro-organisms. The miracle w ould have by-passed the phase that involved micro-organisms, as both you an d Dennis Miller should have known. It would have involved the transmutation of elements (to get carbon for the ethanol, from the oxygen and hydrogen n uclei in the water, amongst others) but that's what miracles are about.

to have started off with water, and ended up with wine, which does imply th e transmutation of at least some hydrogen or oxygen nuclei into carbon nucl ei. The people who dreamed up the original claim may not have understood qu ite how how much they were claiming.

happen if it did, and I'm perfectly happy to explore the consequences of s uch a hypothetical event. Dennis Miller does strike me as having failed in his comprehension of what would have been going on.

If someone did the same thing today I'd assume they had a stock of wine hid den somewhere, not that the water had been suddenly transformed.

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Jim-out-of-touch-with-reality-Thompson thinks that combining people he dislikes creates a recognisable figure. That is truly egocentric insanity.

Fred Blogs, Bitrex and I are more or less cognitively competent. Krw isn't.

Jim doesn't know much, but he still has enough connection to reality to recognise that krw really is off the planet.

Jim claims to have reported me to the FBI as dangerously anti-American. In Australia or England this would have got him charged with wasting police time.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

There's a move towards "if you have a doubt, inform somebody".

That leads to lots of low-grade "intelligence", net-curtain twitching neighbours, and Stasi-like authorities that would cause Cardinal Richlieu[1] to purr with satisfaction.

It would be amusingly ironic if such any such reporting to the FBI fed the powers of government agencies that can bugger up citizens lives!

[1] who may or may not have said "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him."