fet for automatic gain control?

BF862s are pretty good for that--their transconductance is so high that they go from completely off to I_DSS in about 400 mV. Also I_DSS is pretty tightly specified for a FET, 10 mA < I_DSS < 25 mA.

None of this MPF102-ish stuff. (The Fairchild MPS102 datasheet specifies that at I_D = 200 uA, V_GS is somewhere between -0.5 and -7.5 V. Nice of them.)

An enhancement pHEMT such as an ATF54143 might be a good sub.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Standard technique for linearizing a JFET resistive divider is to add 1/2 t he AC portion of the drain voltage to the DC gate gain- control voltage (yo u probably already knew this!). The large-signal performance is still prett y crappy, the log-anti-log technique works better but takes more components unless you use an IC. Not sure if this would also work for enhancement-mo de.

Bob

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Oh yes, I knew it. I am not quite sure now (almost 20 years after my initial design) why I could not use it but I remember I considered and may be tried it. I think the effect kicked in at larger amplitudes than I used (about 100mV IIRC is what I used, in that ballpark anyway), and it did not combine well with the paring for compensation (soldering the cans shorts the gates so one had to live with that).

Yes, large signal was out of question. So they had to be low-noise, the opamps also had to be very quiet (ADI still make them!). Overall things were not as quiet as they nowadays are but it was OK, well below 2 channels FWHM at 8k spectrum from the pulser (nowadays things are well below 1 channel and less mad from the analog point of view - the madness went mostly digital :D...

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Negative supply not needed, just use a P-channel JFET so channel can be grounded, gate positive for max gain, near ground for minimum gain.

The following is a LTSPICE circuit for a simple unity-gain limiter that runs from a single 5V supply and limits the output to about

0.7V RMS. Not super-low distortion when limiting but good for reducing signals to power amps to protect speakers, etc. R16 sets the limited output level, R8 sets overall gain (and input resistor R1 too but don't go too low there), R13 sets attack time, R14 along with R15+R16 sets release time, C4 affects both attack and release. R19 and C6 are special sauce to (attempt) to clean up the attack. A J177 or J176 should work for the JFET (mostly compensates for varying gate threshold.. for more compensation reduce R18 to 4.7K to increase control loop gain but then the special sauce gets trickier), R4 and C5 feeds in the 1/2 channel distortion cancel signal to the emitter of the control transistor, about 1/2 of R17 minus a bit to compensate for gain loss in the transistor. Any decent dual opamp will do.. LT1366 used for convenience. Push-pull config used to detect both positive/negative peaks.

The 2nd to last line is a JFET model, probably will wrap so unwrap it (TEXT lines need to be one line).

- Terry

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Terry Newton

Terry - that comes close but, though the gate is within the available voltage supply, it is backwards relative to the available control direction; ie, positive for lower resistence, negative for greater.

Hul

Terry Newt> > The need for a negative supply or convoluted control circuitry for jfets

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dbr

Transistors are super-cheap.. and great for feeding in the needed

1/2 channel signal through the emitter to cancel distortion. Actually, for a P-channel FET, more positive is more resistance so if used in a shunt configuration, more gain. If the gain control doesn't have to be fast, here's a simple circuit that provides a simple voltage input for setting gain...

input >---100K----*-----------*----------> output | | 1meg | | | 0.022u | | |--' control >--1meg---*------

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Terry Newton

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