Generic problem with microphones,phantom powering and op-amps?

Sep 21, 2005 2 Replies

Actually a repair problem for a low noise microphone pre-amp but seems to be a general design flaw. Pre-amp uses a Burr Brown INA103 very low noise instrumentation op-amp. In this M-Audio Omni i/o preamp and an outline design application in the Burr Brown book show much the same circuitry. The 48Volt phantom supply to the mike is protected by 6.8K limiter resistors. But to block the 48V DC to the op-amp there is a 10uF/100V electrolytic in each line directly to the inv & non-inv i/p of the op-amp .



If , as seems in this case, a balanced line microphone with a short to ground is connected to such a system then the +48V / 0V across the elecrolytic will instantneously go to 0V / -48V with -48V directly connected to the op-amp i/p powered from +-15V rails and according to the databook can be taken to only +-12V.



Blown input to this op-amp due to just the owner connecting a microphone. Anyone familiar with this, adding limiting diode pair at each input ? I see no point in replacing this 15 GBP/ 25 USD IC until this design flaw is attended to or it will happen again should a fault to ground develop in a mike or lead while the 48V power is on.


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I read in sci.electronics.design that N Cook wrote (in ) about 'Generic problem with microphones,phantom powering and op-amps?', on Wed, 21 Sep 2005:

Yes, diodes to each +/-15 V rail.

Part of the price you pay for not using a transformer.

Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. If everything has been designed, a god designed evolution by natural selection. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

This is classic. I suppose Burr Brown missed the 'usual method' of protecting the inputs.

Add 4R7s in series with the INA inputs and fit clamp diodes to both supplies supply at the INA inputs. Use decent size parts. It'll blown an 0805 R for sure !

I'm sure one of the other TI mic amp parts hows this on the schematic ( see PGA2500 for example ) and I'm sure the SSM parts have it too.

Graham

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