recruit FPGA design engineer in Scotland

HDL language, It is better if the candidate can familiar with wireless communication and VB.NET or C++.

job is : Glenrothes, Fife,Scotland ,UK,

experience.

Wow! I believe the pay is equivalent to less than USD 40,000 per year which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not surprised they are looking around the world.

Rick

On 2012-08-21, rickman posted: |----------------------------------------------------------------------| |"[. . .] | | | |[. . .] USD 40,000 per year | |which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not | |surprised they are looking around the world. | | | |Rick" | |----------------------------------------------------------------------|

Ah, jobs are located away from the shores of the U.S.A. because people in the U.S.A. charge too much.

That's only half of the picture. USA engineers charge exactly what USA employers are paying. Not all jobs can be offshored from the USA either. Narrow minded employers see cost savings as the only reason to offshore. It's a complex global situation.

JJS

HDL language, It is better if the candidate can familiar with wireless communication and VB.NET or C++.

job is : Glenrothes, Fife,Scotland ,UK,

experience.

You can only compare salaries if you also account for cost of living.

That's only half of the picture. USA engineers charge exactly what USA employers are paying. Not all jobs can be offshored from the USA either. Narrow minded employers see cost savings as the only reason to offshore. It's a complex global situation.

JJS

If that were actually true, the US would have 100% unemployment.

-- Les Cargill

About $32k last time I looked at the exchange rates.

But even if they were offering a realistic salary, I would be more impressed if they translated the advert into English...

So let's just say that despite the fact that I am actively looking for work at the moment, I haven't dropped my CV in their direction! :-)

- Brian

Add to that a reply-to e-mail at "yahoo.com" Even a recruiter working on his own should have a real "corporate" e-mail address. It only cost me about $14 a year to own my domain name and another $40 a year to set up a web-based e-mail server with 5 addresses. I'd need to be a very hungry recruiter (or a scam artist) to use yahoo as my return address (not to mention recruiting on a UseNet group).

-- Gabor

Well, I don't know about US cost of living, but I can tell you the offer is about half the starting salary for an engineer in Germany, and German cost of living is roughly comparable to Scottish.

- Philip

My understanding is that the cost of living in most of the US is as low or lower than most of Europe. Around a few of the major cities it gets a bit high here, but then so do most major cities. I was in Paris once and when I looked at the cost of a small condo I realized I could never afford to live in the downtown.

Rick

On 2012-08-21, Les Cargill sent: |---------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"Paul Colin Gloster wrote: | |> On 2012-08-21, rickman posted: | |> |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | |> |"[. . .] | | |> | | | |> |[. . .] USD 40,000 per year | | |> |which is not even starting salary for an engineer in the US. I'm not | | |> |surprised they are looking around the world. | | |> | | | |> |Rick" | | |> |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | |> | |> Ah, jobs are located away from the shores of the U.S.A. because people in| |> the U.S.A. charge too much. | |> | | | |If that were actually true," |---------------------------------------------------------------------------|

It is actually true. I once worked in a 3Com factory. It was not located in the U.S.A. U.S. companies find that labor outside of the U.S.A. is cheaper, so they use factories outside of the U.S.A.

|---------------------------------------------------------------------------| |" the US would have 100% unemployment. | | | |-- | |Les Cargill" | |---------------------------------------------------------------------------|

The U.S.A. would have 100% unemployment were all jobs located away from the U.S.A. That is different than what I had claimed.

On 2012-08-21, Gabor sent: |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"[. . .] | | | |Add to that a reply-to e-mail at "yahoo.com" Even a recruiter | |working on his own should have a real "corporate" e-mail address." | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------|

Yahoo! is a corporation. I have had good interactions with entities which used the likes of Yahoo! and Hotmail.

|--------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"It only cost me about $14 a year to own my domain name and another | |$40 a year to set up a web-based e-mail server with 5 addresses." | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------|

You were entitled to spend money on those services, but I would not have wasted money like that.

|--------------------------------------------------------------------------| |"I'd need to be a very hungry recruiter (or a scam artist) to use | |yahoo as my return address (not to mention recruiting on a UseNet | |group). | | | |-- Gabor" | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------|

I would much rather a recruiter who understands and values that competent engineers use Usenet than a LinkedIn spammer.

On 2012-08-22, Rickman sent: |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| |"[. . .] | | | |My understanding is that the cost of living in most of the US is as low| |or lower than most of Europe. Around a few of the major cities it gets| |a bit high here, but then so do most major cities. [. . .] | |[. . .]" | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|

The costs of living in different places in Europe are not the same.

As for Europe and the United States of America, did you take hospitals into account?

There are huge differences in Europe and it doesn't depend on a country's GBP.

You said - and I quote ( the text is even in line above ) -

"Ah, jobs are located away from the shores of the U.S.A. because people in the U.S.A. charge too much."

Again - if that were true, then all jobs would be located away from the US. It's clearly not true for the vast majority of people in the US. Even with bad unemployment, labor force participation is around 64% or so:

What matters with jobs is not cost, but marginal product - for every unit of labor paid for, how many units* of output do you get? If the answer is "more than 1", then you are not paying too much.

Baristas at our Starbucks chain make close to $10USD per hour. If Scots or German FPGA designers are working for $10 per hour, then they are *paid too little*. This would also be true for $20 per hour.

-- Les Cargill

This is true for very nearly all of Yurp, according to expats with whom I have worked. It is also shown to be true by military housing allowances.

-- Les Cargill

People who are careful in purchasing health insurance in the US don't pay all that much.

-- Les Cargill

Of course Yahoo! is a corporation, but I highly doubt that this "recruiter" is employed by Yahoo!

The OP also doesn't give a name or mailing address, and only an e-mail address (Yahoo, hotmail, gmail is irrelevant) that any scam artist could have cooked up this morning.

With the job market as stale as it's been lately, there have been a large number of scams to lure people into paying for a job placement when the "job" doesn't exist.

Since the OP has not jumped into this discussion to defend the offer, I presume this is just such a scam.

-- Gabor

I actually live in Scotland (about 100 miles south of the OP's location).

The money offered is absurdly low - they are offering a 5 month contract at the (very) bottom end of the graduate starting salary range. I would expect an advertised rate of at least £30 per hour but personally would charge (a lot) more.

If it's a scam they could at least have offered a decent rate !

Michael Kellett