Re: Richard Stallman is responsible for the shrinking economy

Jul 15, 2024 Last reply: 1 year ago 5 Replies


przemek klosowski wrote:


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>> >>
>> > At that level of software products you are right, but that is only=20 part
>> > of the story. The open source has put a lot of pressure on=20 innovation in
>> > software technology. When expectations are that software products=20 are
>> > low or zero cost there is less potential reward for taking=20 speculative
>> > risk exploring new ideas.
>> >
>> > The whole industry suffers. We are using operating systems that were
>> > designed 20 years ago, running for the most part on processors with
>> > instruction sets designed for hand written assembler.
>>
>> Walter, you obviously have a track record of innovation in this=20 industry
>> that gives you first dibs on speaking on this topic, but I just don't=20 see
>> your point. Are you claiming that the progress in embedded technology
>> in the Open Source era, which I would arbitrarily define as the last=20 10
>> years, was significantly impaired? I just don't see it this way. >
>The open source has had the effect of putting price pressure on
>innovation in software technology by making lowering the potential
>reward ./ risk ratio. The open source movement has not embraced
>standards and has not generally participated in the standards process.

I assume here you are speaking from your own experiences with the c standards processes.


Since you probably have some ideas about this, how would a single representative be selected and representative of the "open source movement" in the standards processes? I mean this seriously. I'm curious how that might be made to work well and I'd like to hear your thoughts about it.


It might be that the well-worn paths in the standards processes are tuned, more because of historical circumstances, to the traditional models that existed earlier and it may be expecting a lot to imagine a situation with an "open source movement" working without some significant adaptations.


In the above, I am intentionally conflating "open source movement" with GNU c. I know I'm doing that "on the table." I intend it as a prod to ask you to tease the two things apart, again. In so doing, that I understand the comments better.


GCC has not participated in any meaningful way in WG14 the
>ISO international standards group (represented in the US
>by ANSI). What is more disturbing is GCC has not made a
>significant attempt to be ANSI/ISO compliant. The test suite
>distributed with GCC is a regression list of past bugs and
>development \test cases not a language syntax test of organized
>code generation test.

Well, that regression list is for obvious reasons


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Nicolás, it's nice to see new people in this quite group. However, I have two requests for you.

One, please do not necropost. Look at the dates of the posts to which you are replying - you cannot expect to re-open a discussion after 15 years (especially since AFAIK at least one of the participants is, to the detriment of the embedded development world, deceased).

Two, please follow standard Usenet conventions for formatting your posts. It is extremely difficult to see what /you/ wrote, and what you quoted from a previous post. Quoted sections should be indented with a ">" sign (and therefore quotes of quotes will have multiple ">" indentation). It's very simple, and every Usenet client should do this by default. Please do not change that.

If you have anything you want to discuss in connection with embedded development, please start a thread. This group may appear mostly dead, but there are plenty of us who will see the posts and crawl out of the woodwork whenever something interesting pops up :-)

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Dear David,

Thanks for yet another polite post about me as always. I am not new to=20 these newsgroups - thou thyself had responded to posts by myself many=20 years ago. Google professed today "92" for a search for posts by myself in= =20 comp.arch.embedded and "83" re comp.lang.vhdl and "75" re comp.arch.fpga=20 and some day UsenetArchives.com might offer a useful search engine.

I did have to ask an ISP about USENET as it used to be blocked :(

Is mise le meas, Niocl=C3=A1s P=C3=B3l Caile=C3=A1n de Ghloucester

[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

David Brown snipped-for-privacy@hesbynett.no spake the secret code <v9f24o$3piqe$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me thusly:

Who appointed you God of All Usenet? I say, reply to any thread you want from any time you want if you have something you want to say.

Following your reasoning, I shouldn't comment on the Declaration of Independence because it's purged from short-term usenet spools.

Nothing like picking the finest of nits.

Dear all,

David is a fine fellow even though we do not agree on everything and I thank Richard. Let us all be nice and friends. David, by the way: I am neither rude nor disruptive.

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On Tue, 16 Jul 2024, I wrote: "Jon Kirwan wrote: "[. . .]

Another facet that crosses my mind is the sweeping change in those who consider themselves programmers in my lifetime. In my earliest days, you were pretty much a graduate of some kind

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