A friend just showed me an instruction package for a conversion kit to allow a car engine to run on hydrogen and oxygen extracted from water. He paid about $60 for the privilege of downloading and printing out over 100 pages of text and crude drawings and schematics. I looked through it, and it appears to be a scam, but I was unable to find any serious discussion on-line (nothing on snopes) to indicate that it cannot possibly work as it claims. My arguments are as follows:1. It should require at least as much energy to dissociate the hydrogen and oxygen atoms from water as could be regained by combustion, so unless the gases are generated from the power grid and then used in the vehicle, the energy ultimately must come from the gasoline engine.2. The instructions call for a carburetor conversion kit. My last vehicle with a carburetor was a 1986 model. I do not see how the introduction of a hydrogen/oxygen mixture to the manifold can work with a fuel-injected system, especially when it is controlled by a computer as most vehicles have had since about 1995.3. The electronic circuits you are expected to build are designed with old technology parts, such as a 555 timer, 2N3055 transistor, CD4069, LM741, etc, and operate at frequencies from about 10 Hz to 350 kHz, with no instruction on PCB layout. These circuits are basically variable frequency PWM generators, with one set of pulses to electrodes in the water, and another set that go to a toroidal transformer.4. The toroidal transformer has a ferrite core and is to be hand wound with about 2000 turns of special teflon-coated magnet wire. Its purpose, as I understand it, is to somehow use magnetism to align the water molecules and dissociate the hydrogen and oxygen.5. There is also some reference to a "water capacitor", whatever that is, and somehow this 12 VDC circuit generates thousands of volts.6. The instructions are so extensive and complicated, and the illustrations are so poor, that I cannot imagine anyone...

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My 1984 2.0L Capri did 37 mpg-- Dirk - Transcendence UKRemote Viewing classes in London

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Water for Gas conversion hoax/scam?

Jun 25, 2008 27 Replies

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Joerg 18 years ago

Crash worthiness wasn't a concern when these vehicles were designed. But it can be achieved with some more clever engineering. The automotive engineers back in those days sure were smart people.

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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax 18 years ago

My 1984 2.0L Capri did 37 mpg

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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax 18 years ago

Ditto aerospace engineers. Hypersonic aircraft in the 1950s etc...

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Martin Griffith 18 years ago

I suppose you "still " can't see youtube stuff :( but this is a nice bit of crash testing

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Joerg 18 years ago

Actually, since about five minutes I can! What a coincidence.

Pretty brutal crash. IIRC they did a similar one on a Smart here in the US and now you can see the first Smarts here. BTW that old Citroen tended to hold up pretty well in crashes sind it's got a regular box frame.

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Spehro Pefhany 18 years ago

Are those bloody Southeast Asian things two-strokes or what? I never looked closely, but there's one heckuva lot of blue smoke.

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ian field 18 years ago

Probably - a sort of Indian Trabant.

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Richard Henry 18 years ago

Since your friend sent in his money, the device is working exactly as the inventor intended.

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