Time-Domain Reflectometry: debugging 2.7 GHz oscillations and Murata ferrite beads

So I've been wringing out a new APD front end. It's a 500-MHz TIA with a pHEMT bootstrap, and wants to oscillate at 2.7 GHz with a strong squeg at about 1 MHz. Changing the drain current changes the duty cycle of the squegging, and reducing it below about 2 mA makes it stable.

The oscillation frequency doesn't change much (5% or so) with drain current. All of which suggests that the oscillation is due to some reasonably-sharp resonance someplace--the squegging gets worse at higher gain, but the oscillation frequency doesn't move around. The waveform is more or less sinusoidal-looking, but that's not surprising since the vertical bandwidth of the scope (a TDS 694C) is about 3.3 GHz. The oscillation doesn't depend on whether the TIA is connected or not.

Lower-speed front ends based on the same sort of transistor are famously stable--one of them runs the bootstrap across a two-inch-long FFC cable going to a MPPC on a cold plate. They also work great as the bottom device in a cascode with a 45-GHz SiGe NPN. (The NPN needs a base-stopper bead, but the pHEMT doesn't.)

The difference with this one may be that there's a bootstrapped pour under the summing junction components, driven by the pHEMT source.

Sooo, I took a bare board, bodged in a U.FL micro coax connector from the bootstrapped pour to ground, and hung it on the front of one of my trusty Tek SD-24 TDRs, like so:

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. (U.FLs are super useful for this sort of thing--far better than coax pigtails. Not bad for 20 cents.)

Here's the result:

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(green curve: U.FL unplugged; white curve: board attached).

There's a capacitive dip (3.0 pF as measured on a Boonton 72BD) followed by a delayed and not-too step open-circuit reflection and some ringing. Interestingly the reciprocal of the round-trip delay is right around 2.7 GHz, which would make sense with an open-circuit transmission line resonator.

I also did some measurements of the Murata beads we use as base/gate stoppers for microwave transistors. Our faves are the Murata BLM1xBA series.

The following scope photo shows a TDR of a short piece of 0.080" hardline with various low-Z Murata ferrite beads. From top to bottom at the beginning of the falling-edge transient: BLM18BA100SN1D (10 ohms @ 100 MHz, light orange); BLM15BA050SN1D (5 ohms @ 100 MHz, green); BLM18BB100SN1D (10 ohms @ 100 MHz, purple); and BLM15BB050SN1D (10 ohms @ 100 MHz, yellowish).

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The BA-series beads show a lot better high-frequency impedance than the BB-series ones, despite their datasheet curves being very similar. The BLM15BA050 shows a bit of undershoot near 1.5 ns, but the others are all basically monotonic at late times.

Interestingly the BLM15 (0402) and BLM18 (0603) beads look identical at this resolution--the traces lie right on top of each other.

Fun stuff, and it'll be more fun once I get the resonance problem knocked. Putting the pHEMT source connection near the middle of the pour instead of at one end will help, I expect--this part ought to be less likely to oscillate at 5 GHz.

Comments welcome.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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A bootstrapped pour seems like a great idea. I did that on my triggered Colpitts oscillator to reduce the effective/terrible FR4 capacitance. But it made things unstable for some reason, so I reverted to cutting some chunks out of the ground and power planes and temperature compensating out the positive TC of the FR4.

A couple of those bead TDRs look like capacitors to me.

I like gate resistors to tame phemts, but we mostly work with big signals so a few more nV of noise is no big deal to us. I'm using 499 ohms in one case! I guess a hi-Z bead makes as much hf Johnson noise as a resistor.

Gotta study your post in more detail when I have more time.

TDR rocks.

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John Larkin

Am 31.03.22 um 18:58 schrieb John Larkin:

Yes, at frequencies where it works like a resistor, it creates noise like a resistor.

V1 is only there as a compiler pleaser, needed for syntax.

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chears, Gerhard

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Gerhard Hoffmann

Comes up blank for me. But it's true--there's a very general theorem of classical thermodynamics that states that *in thermal equilibrium* any process that can dissipate power will also produce fluctuations with average power kT/2 per classical degree of freedom.

You can derive the sqrt(4kTR) formula by considering an isolated RC circuit, setting the mean energy on the capacitor as kT/2, and computing what the resistor's noise power has to be in order to keep the mean energy constant.

As soon as you apply power, of course, all the nice theorems go away--for instance, a diode-connected transistor looks like a resistor whose value is 25 mV/I_C, and whose temperature is T_J/2 (150 K at room temperature).

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Phil Hobbs

Works for me. 2k5 * 1k5 screen dump. called up 7 times upto now. But Flickr is sloooooow!

Gerhard

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Gerhard Hoffmann

Fine, fast here with Firefox.

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John Larkin

Works for me too. Ed

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ehsjr

No technical comment, just this:

Fascinating post, many thanks for sharing.

CH

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Clifford Heath

steep

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(Fixed a couple of typos that might impede understanding)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Phil Hobbs

The higher-Z BB-series parts are more resistive than the BA-series ones--poking around on these pages is pretty illuminating.

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(You can replace the part number with the one you actually want to see--getting the same plot by dorking with the web page is much slower.)

A five-ohm bead that peaks at nearly 100 ohms resisitive out at 4 GHz or so is a super useful part.

Yup, especially for time-domain stuff. Stuff like stability analysis is a bit subtler using TDR vs. a network analyzer. I should break out my HP 70820A (a 40 GHz scope/network analyzer/spectrum analyzer based on samplers).

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Phil Hobbs
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Obviously you do a *lot* of testing and development, Phil. Which particular area of electronics do you find most stimulating to tackle? (if any nowadays given your extreme level of familiarity with the subject, that is).

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Cursitor Doom

I mostly like building complete instruments. I've been doing a lot of front ends lately, which is getting boring, so we're trying to pour a bunch of concrete so that we can turn round a customized front end for folks made from nice tested building blocks.

I thought this oscillation thing was fairly interesting, and was looking for some input from other folks. (Maybe even Joerg, if I can entice him away from doing fast laps around his bierkeller on the mountain bike. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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