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On Fri, 03 Jul 2015 12:23:56 -0400, Joe Gwinn Gave us:

That would make *you* "The Fifth Element". (or Fifth Elemental) :-)

On Fri, 03 Jul 2015 12:21:53 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:

I've got several versions, fiddled with now and then in my spare time. Can't recall if I posted the "latest" one. It will certainly change some when it gets to be a real-world PCB schematic. The customer(s) already want more voltage at the Widget, so I need maybe 1400 from the supply, no big deal, just tweak the feedback.

This is about it for now, until I get a purchase order. The sim helped estimate parts cost and board size and such.

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On Fri, 03 Jul 2015 10:23:50 -0700, John Larkin Gave us:

Or add one more multiplier stage, since you are well below any power requisite. It would probably run even better.

Either way, but fewer parts is better; it's looking lopsided already. Adding another mult stage reduces my HV1 output, which is more than I need anyhow.

Looks like 2 mA at 1400 volts will be plenty, so that cheap stock Coiltronics transformer is still OK.

The real advantage, to me, of using Spice here, is evaluating the magnetics. Magnetics tend to be a pain. Spice computes the peak and RMS coil currents, something I prefer not to do any other way.

I could buy a potted brick proportional (unregulated) HV supply for a bit over $100, but it wouldn't make HV1 and I might need to close a feedback loop around it to nail the output voltage. And it wouldn't be as much fun.

On Fri, 03 Jul 2015 10:45:15 -0700, John Larkin Gave us:

Their problem is that there are few, if not no models of xformers with a single turn feedback winding in their libraries, and adding one doesn't work, because it needs to be magnetically coupled. So even their modeling structure needs work.

That is one of the main reasons I do not model my supplies with it, as I *do* use a feedback winding.

Den fredag den 3. juli 2015 kl. 20.35.39 UTC+2 skrev DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno:

you just add the inductors and tell it what the coupling between is

-Lasse

On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:44:55 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen Gave us:

Thanks. It was years ago I gave up on them. Perhaps now, they have facilitated said couplings (obviously so). I give it a gander.

My HV supply model has a transformer made from two coupled inductors; I didn't use a transformer model. Just plop down a couple of inductors L1 and L2 and add a Spice directive anywhere on the screen

K L1 L2 N

where N is the coupling coefficient. N=1 is perfect coupling. K1 does slow down the simulation.

Just make the L1/L2 inductance ratio the square of the turns ratio.

You can name several inductors in the K statement, for more windings.

You can add coil ohms into each inductor, or just add resistors outside of ideal inductors. Similarly, you can tweak N down to fake leakage inductance, or add separate visible inductors.

I try to use stock surface-mount parts whenever I can. Those DRQ-series dual inductors can be very handy. As can 4-winding ISDN transformers.

Nah. They'll just bail out the culprets. As usual.

The problem with a small tax is that it won't stay small. How about a

The tax could be inverse on holding time, tapering to zero after, say,

On Fri, 03 Jul 2015 20:00:08 -0400, krw Gave us:

The term is 'culprits'. Maybe you should delay sends and proofread for a few seconds. Oh... that's right... you thought that was the correct spelling.

...and for dynamic graphing, use Visual Cobol.

Moore's law never made any claims about speed. It was specifically about the number density of transistors on a given area of silicon.

For a long while it did translate to speed gain as features got smaller with lower capacitance, higher frequencies and lower working voltages.

The time to triple the performance of bleeding edge CPUs has gone from about 2-3 years in the old days to about 5-6 years now. The absolute performance of most desktop PCs is now well beyond what any normal user will ever need apart from for video editing, gaming and running spice.

In some gaming PCs the video card has vastly more compute power than the main CPU and for the right problems there are libraries to exploit it directly like NVidias CUDA.

Although you could interpret what he said to mean that. I took it to mean the much more sensible position that modern CPUs are already so fast that you can afford to lose some performance to gain *reliability*.

The singularity is coming - beware. We are already letting computers design new bigger chips that no individual human can fully comprehend.

Deterministic number crunching computers are safe enough but when they have neural net hardware or a software simulation of it on a sufficient scale to exceed the human brain connectivity all bets are off.

it's using the wrong function strncopy is for writting to null padded records, where maximal strings are unterminated.

if you want a length limit and a nul at the end use sprintf

sprintf(dest,"%.*s",len-1,src);

On Sat, 04 Jul 2015 09:19:35 +0100, Martin Brown Gave us:

Slow light technology will usher in a simple 4 bit optical computer that puts them all to shame.

Moore's law will last forever if people keep re-defining it. The number of transistors doubled every year, like Moore said it would, from 1959 to about

Build an analog computer.

but most likely would destabilize the ...government!

I roll my eyes when I hear "Moore's law" and the "computing power of a chip" in the same sentence. He stated his law when a chip had 4 transistors. Since you can't make a computer with 4, it makes no sense to speak of the computing power of a chip.

What we need is a breakthrough in 3D structures. In 2D we're limited to a few connections per transistor, and a few per gate. It's connections-per-element that will make HAL possible.