Re: 4-pin pwm fan.

I work as a coputer tech (fixing pcs) in a major university as part of

> a work study program. Im also a junior in computer engineering, so I > know my way around a breadboard. > > One of the machines is a newish dell btx, that's having major cooling > problems (random page faults, hd temp goes up to about 130 F, etc). I > narrowed the problem down to the main case fan, which is a four pin > PWM (pulse-width modulation). Apparently, the bios (happens without > hd/os) forces the fan to spin at a ridiculously low speed, > approximately 10% of capacity. After tinkering a bit, I found that > cutting the blue (PWM) wire was adequate enough to disable pwm, and > forced it to 100%. But now it sound's like one of those handheld > vacuum cleaners, and is likely to have a very low MFT (mean failure > time). I've tinkered a bit more, and found that by grounding the pwm > with a suitable resistor, it slows it down to an acceptible level. > I've run a few tests, and I've come up with the following data: > > Fan Power draw at 100%: ~375 mA > Ideal Power draw (flow vs sound): ~210 mA > > Pwm voltage (fan to ground): ~3.266 V > Pwm Current (directly grounded) ~0.52 mA > Ideal Pwm>Resistor>Ground: ~3.2 kOhm > > I was wondering if anybody had any additional input about this before > I screw something up royally. With these Ideal values, everything > seems to work fine, and I don't notice any risky voltages or > currents. I'm on a tight schedule, so I'm likely to begin soldering > everything into place soon. >

If this box belongs to a customer, don't install any hacks. If you're stumped, ask the supervisor to help or give it to one of the other techs. It sounds like you need either a new fan or a new MB. But I would not trust a fan that's got a resistor to the pwm lead, and I would not trust a repairman who hacks on my equipment trying to fix some problem he doesn't understand.

Good Luck! Rich

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Rich Grise
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I've considered the speed fan route, but the machine is most likely going to spend most of it's time with a logon prompt, which very few aplications will continue to run on. It'll mainly be used for data entry and research. To machine itself is pseudo-departmentally owned, and this seems to be the most reliable technique. I considered using a resistor on the 12 volt line, but that would require either a three watt resistor, or 12 quarter watts in parallel (I can get .25W's for free, but ppl will ask questions if I take that many. It'd be a mess too). Putting a 2.6k resistor between pwm and ground is the most sensible (and fastest) way to go, especially since I need this up and running tommorow; plus at 1/588 watts, it is well within the tolereance of the available resistor(s). I have tested this approach thourougly enough to make it final, and all of the variables are well within range.

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ghosttwo

I agree with Rich. You don't have the knowledge or skills to repair this. Speak to your supervisor!

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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:04:40 -0800 (PST), snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com put finger to keyboard and composed:

IMHO that's not a good idea because the fan's electronics expects a stable DC supply for the Hall sensor and possibly for the PWM circuit.

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Franc Zabkar

These fans are almost always controlled by an external PWM circuit, the electronics in the motor are very simple and work fine with this arrangement. Internally temperature controlled fans are available, but relatively uncommon.

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James Sweet

Not to stir up the pot or anything.. But I've seen a couple of CPU 2 wire fans, designed to operate from 5 Volts (Low speed) up to 12 volts (full speed). the internal electronics is regulated for 5 volts always and uses the incoming voltage to govern speed for the controller internally. The last MB I played with used a PWM circuit into a local LC circuit that generated a rather smooth variable DC voltage for the fan supply. On this MB, a jumper had to be set to indicate you having one of these fans.

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Jamie

On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:11:54 GMT, "James Sweet" put finger to keyboard and composed:

OK, I stand corrected. However, here is an interesting thread that shows that strange things can happen when you reduce the supply voltage of an internally temperature controlled fan:

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Specifically, the fan RPM may *increase* when you *reduce* the supply voltage. Of course the OP's fan is not one of these.

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Franc Zabkar

No it wouldn't, if you dropped 3V off the supply the fan would be drawing around 280mA and the series resistor dissipating 0.85W

A better way with case fans is a 1.3W zener in series with the 12V line. Plenty of values in the 3V-5V range to pick from.

But first check the BIOS. There should be an option, possibly on the ""PC Health" page, to give either PWM control or voltage control to the fan headers, "for fans that don't meet the Intel 4-wire fan spec". Or swap the fan for a quiet 3-pin, they still fit and work on most boards -- they've got to, 4-wire fans are still rare.

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