There have been over 4000 postings since the first of July in the four groups that I have posted this to asking to buy or sell solutions manuals so they can cheat on homework.
I've been quietly letting this go buy but enough is enough.
I propose we all drop the posting identities of everyone who has asked or will ask to buy or sell a solutions manual into a kill file for the next year. You know if they can't buy the manual to cheat on their homework they are going to be back next week asking for someone to do their homework for them.
If enough of us do this then some fraction of them can just become un-persons on the net.
I have vast lists of these names in my killfile already. You can easily find the names for yourself, or if there is enough interest I can put together a file with the names from the postings that you can drop in your killfile.
Thank you for helping combat fraud and spam on the net. Email address is valid, been that for more than 15 years.
I have a counter-idea: Let's turn sci.math into a moderated group. This will (1) get rid of the solution manuals posts, and (2) make JSH even more paranoid.
To the Cheater Accusers (that know not what they say...):
Those of us who purchase solution manuals, purchase them because we choose to while there is still freedom in choice. There will always be those of you who label free will choosers that do not choose to go with the masses by some form of negativity in a manner to get nonconformers to conform, such elementary names like "cheaters". Although no one has yet written alongside such an accusation any known case where a person who has purchased a solution manual has used it in class while taking an examination (and even if one did that does not depict a true story for all) - so you who are against us solution manual purchasers that now have the same tools that many of you have been provided with for years, are just plainly HATING the fact that we have evened-up the odds, therefore, due to your loses you choose to use slander, hoping some other poor sole will listen and not purchase any solution manuals even though he/she knows aide is NEEDED, and even though it will definitely ENHANCE their education which is the SOLE purpose of attending these higher education arenas. We our the ones who are paying for our education and we obviously are not getting enough information from our Lecturers (Universities, Colleges, etc.), who only have about an hour a session and the rest is up to us - so we must due our duty to ourselves. So it is inevitable that we purchase the best tool for the task in gaining our education, which we find even better than a tutor and less expensive, at times, and learn at our own rate, while at the same time, learn correctly. Again, it is us (and when I speak of us, our parents our possibly inclusive in this "US") who are paying for our education at the universities we attend and that funding we have choosen not to deplete while we make sure we understand the material to the utmost (fullest), whether it be by the instructor or solution manuals. Why should we sit back and let everyone else get the fruits, such as the lecturers, schools, financial institutions who getting paid whether we pass or NOT. After all, it is our money, our time, our choice, our lives and our education. We are the ones that will be graduating one day, and we had better be as best equipped as possible because with our college educational growth rate and the high unemployment rate, there is no guarantee what we all will be hired, so we better be equipped to go on OUR OWN if necessary. We all come from different backgrounds, so those of you who do not need solution manuals, dont buy them and leave us the HELL alone. So if solution manuals do not interest any of you, then find another thread to discuss an interest that does, but it is more than obvious that there is an enormous amount of students interested in studying correctly the first time so I deinitely find this to be the proper forum for such discussions. But I am sure, none of us that purchase solution manuals choose to pay any unnecessary money or time to repeat any course or pass without understading the materials to the best of OUR ability or we have then have FAILED OURSELVES which is primary. We are achievers by OUR choice.
Actually, I expect that most of us believe that the seekers after solution manuals intend to use them for cheating on homework, not for cheating on exams. And consider that it would be one very poor exam that used verbatim questions from the textbook.
Actually, you and the rest are only ATTEMPTED purchasers of solution manuals. You yourself figured out that at least one of the alleged vendors of manuals is a fraud, in . Congratulations, there may be hope for you yet.
Note that the alleged solution-manual vendors * spam Usenet, targeting * students who want to cheat, offering * pirated copies of copyright works.
Now ask yourself, isn't it likely that such a person would also cheat their marks^H^H^H^H^Hcustomers?
The most useful such tool is to actually know the subject.
Actually, we mainly hate the Usenet clutter. If you want to send money to some scammer than by all means go for it -- no skin off my nose.
What exactly is it that you think we have lost?
Where's the slander? Do you honestly disagree that most attempts to purchase solutions are for the purpose of handing in those solutions as one's own (a.k.a "cheating")?
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snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com posted to sci.electronics.design:
While you personally might choose to be an achiever, most people looking for solutions books are looking for "shortcuts". I have tried them and NEVER found them to be worthwhile. Not to mention that crappy lecturers/professors are the norm nowdays. What you really want to do is get (text)books published in the 1950's and
1960's, and even 1930's for real quality explanations of the basics. Case in point, "Handbook of Hydraulics" by Horace W. King, et al. First published in 1918. Of course in you don't have Newtonian physics in hand it will be rather difficult.
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