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to be designed to screw it up worse. He doesn't see high levels of income i nequality as a problem.

blem is there are a high level of people that do not earn very much. The p roblem is not that some people earn a lot. It is that some people earn so little.

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begs to differ, and presents quite a bit of statistical evidence that sugge sts that income inequality is a problem of itself. Wilkinson and Pickett ap proach the problem as medical epidemiologists.

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Michael Marmot approaches it from a purely medical point of view, which rap idly acquires political content.

Picketty's "Capital in the 21st Century" looks at it from an economic point of view.

olution is to fertilize all the flowers.

That's not my solution, nor does it capture most of what has been written o n the subject. Everybody is agreed that what is required is to fertilise al l the flowers, but there's only a finite amount of fertiliser available, an d where some of the flowers have been hogging fertiliser to the point where it isn't providing them with any perceptible incremental advantage, while short-changing the rest of the garden, a certain amount of adjustment is re quired.

Japan manages to achieve an adequately egalitarian income distribution with out much government intervention, but it's not a system that's easily copie d. The Scandinavian and German approach - with higher taxes that the US has favoured - does seem to work, and could more easily be copied.

Note that an adequately egalitarian income distribution isn't everybody get ting the same income - which would give a Gini coefficient of zero. Scandin avia works fine with a Gini coefficient around 0.25, and most advanced indu strial countries sit around 0.3. The US, at 0.45 is a fairly spectacular ou tlier, and within the US individual states with more equal income distribut ions do better than those with worse - Wilkinson and Pickett had clearly ru n into American peculiarism, and took care to deal with it in advance.

The superior smartness isn't all that obvious - you do look like a fairly o rdinary right-wing nitwit, with the usual right-wing enthusiasm for self-de lusion. I doubt if you could trump Trump, but somebody who claims to have g one to a better university without specifying which one it was, or why this might have lead to better education (which it clearly hasn't) is quite a w ay down that particular road.

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get made technically redundant because the products made by their industry have been replaced by something new and different. Since Denmark is tiny - 5.7 million inhabitants - there aren't a lot of exciting statistics about how well this has worked, but it has attracted some attention.

are middle aged.

Somebody who was as smart as you seem to think you are might be able to dif ferentiate between Denmark (population 5.7 million, which I've never even v isited) and it's southern neighbour, the Netherlands (population 17 million , where I lived for 19 years and worked for about ten of them).

The languages are different, and the history is very different - Denmark wa s never a world power, and there's no Danish Spinoza - Hans Christian Ander sen is about as close as they get.

A you sure that it was a university you went to, rather than some community college with delusions of grandeur?

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ho get made technically redundant because the products made by their indust ry have been replaced by something new and different. Since Denmark is tiny - 5.7 million inhabitants - there aren't a lot of exciting statistics abou t how well this has worked, but it has attracted some attention.

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ifferentiate between Denmark (population 5.7 million, which I've never even visited) and it's southern neighbour, the Netherlands (population 17 milli on, where I lived for 19 years and worked for about ten of them).

was never a world power, and there's no Danish Spinoza - Hans Christian And ersen is about as close as they get.

ty college with delusions of grandeur?

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ifferentiate between Denmark (population 5.7 million, which I've never even visited) and it's southern neighbour, the Netherlands (population 17 milli on, where I lived for 19 years and worked for about ten of them).

was never a world power, and there's no Danish Spinoza - Hans Christian And ersen is about as close as they get.

ty college with delusions of grandeur?

Not so much a matter of intelligence as being not all that interested in wh ere you lived.

Dan

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Then Trump just replies that Romney is just another Republican establishment loser. ..and he's right.

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Scalia had the controversial theory that, like your mortgage, a law--even the Constitution--means exactly what it says. If Congress doesn't like what a law says--what they themselves wrote--then it's their job to write another. Not a judge's.

That's the mentality of a tyrant. When laws mean whatever someone wants them to mean at that moment, then laws have no meaning at all. When laws mean different things when applied to different people at different times, that's the definition of injustice.

And the effects are dire. Imagine your theory applied to mortgages. How many loans would banks confidently offer, if borrowers could constantly re-interpret their payments, interest, and balances without notice? How about the reverse, if the bank could do the same?

The constancy of laws (the 'rule of law') is vital to a stable society. Change the rules if they need changing, but bending rules beyond meaning is almost the same as no rules at all.

When all men are equal, some must not be more equal than others.

Cheers, James Arthur

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Cruz is religious. He is not a fanatic. But even more, he reveres our Constitution, which he knows does not allow him to impose his faith on anyone.

Tolerance. That's part of the beauty of our system, when it's respected.

The Obama administration has being trying humiliate the Little Sisters of the Poor, by reinterpreting their own law's--Obamacare's--religious protections to mean 'no protection.'

Cruz is against forcing nuns to abandon their faith, as am I. There can scarcely be a greater evil than a government intentionally *forcing* people of good heart to violate their most sacred beliefs. Governments are made to *protect* peoples' right to live as those people see fit to live them.

Cruz would surely stop that.

Cheers, James Arthur

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Are you daft? If there wasn't ambiguity in determining "exacty what it says " the case wouldn't even be before the court. Scalia's problem was his self

-appointed autocratic authority in making the determination of what it says . He just made stuff up as he went along, he was insane.

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Not really, it is a basis and strength of the English law that judges make new laws through their intrepretations of written codified law. It's called judge made law, it is a 1000 year old tradition and it's the reason why ev ery Supreme Court decision has been saved and archived in a gazzillion page s of U.S. Supreme Court Reports for the past 200 years. Scalia was out-to-l unch.

That's not the same at all...

Of course I'm sure when that change goes against your preferences, it becom es bent out of all recognizable shape, but when it goes your way, it's a lo ng overdue and necessary change.

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LOL!

I'm pretty much the same. But like Dan, I don't think it's a problem that some people build / invent / do things & do very well, the problem (where there is one) is when people who earnestly try can't do well enough.

That problem, however, is not solved by merely giving them other people's money. That's enabling, not solving.

Me too. Entertainment is one thing, but he's smearing good people. I don't appreciate that.

Back atcha.

Cheers, James Arthur

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No citizen of the US is forced to do anything in violation of their religious beliefs unless that is in conflict with other people's basic human rights. Which do you feel takes precedence?

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Where did Scalia fall on the civil forfeiture ruling? Did he consider the home owner to be a third party in the matter and so having no standing to sue to recover their home?

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I feel mostly fiscally conservative,

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Mark

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To me rights are something you have unto yourself, like the right to live (without being killed), to be free (from confinement or restraint), to keep property (without being robbed), etc. So, rights are something you have inherently. We form governments to protect these rights from encroachment by others, e.g., criminals, or hostile nations.

Rights can never be obligations or demands that you can place on others-- things *they* must do for *you*--as that is the same as taking part of the other person's life without their consent, violating their right to be free.

With this understanding from our Founders, the rights of one almost never conflict with those of another.

But to your question, I don't believe anyone's rights are protected by forcing nuns to pay for something repugnant to their beliefs.

Cheers, James Arthur

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church and state is a bad idea

Interesting point of view. Because the Little Sisters of the Poor don't bel ieve in contraception, the health insurance they offer their non-Catholic e mployees can't cover birth control?

Their sacred beliefs control what they do. They don't get to control what t heir employees do, or what the health insurance they pay for covers in term s of the services offered their employees.

He might try. Religious freedom is one thing, but giving the religious the right to cheapskate on specific items of health care for their employees be cause the religious aren't enthusiastic about that particular form of healt h care is stretching religious freedom for one group into a license for rel igion-based interference in the behaviour of others.

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Tough. If the nuns don't want to treat their employees properly, the nuns c an always do the work themselves. Minimal government nutters never like rul es that prevent employers from treat their employees as badly as they'd lik e to - it's restraint of trade - but society does seem to work better if em ployers are constrained from grinding the faces of the poor whenever they c an get away with it.

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Bernie Sanders Scandinavian-style socialism doesn't solve the problems of t he poor simply by giving them other peoples money - the Scandinavian countr ies do collect more in tax than the the US does, and they do spend a lot of what they collect on providing better better welfare, health care and educ ation for the poor than the US does. The money is directed to the poor, not given to them, and every payment is designed to solve specific problems.

James Arthur admires Bastiat's thinking on the subject, which rather predat es effective welfare schemes, universal health care and universal education . Bastiat did know that the earth is round, but he died in 1850 before mode rn socialism had got it's act together. The international socialists didn't throw out the Marxists (for being undemocratic) until 1870, and still had a long way to go to get their act together even then.

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It the laws started off being just. US Constitution didn't originally recog nise Afro-Americans as being fully human.

As far as James Arthur is concerned, the US Constitution was written by God 's representatives on Earth, and doesn't admit of improvement. In reality i t was the MS-DOS of political operating system, with a heavy dose of the Mo derate Enlightenment attitude that the people who owned the country ought t o continue to run the country, looking after their immediate interests in t he process.

That's not the way that the constitution gets re-interpreted, The reality i s closer to the replacement of Newtonian gravity with Einstein's general re lativity, where the interpretation only changes in places where the origina l interpretation didn't work all that well

That's why Afro-Americans used to count as 3/5ths of a white citizen?

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who get made technically redundant because the products made by their indu stry have been replaced by something new and different. Since Denmark is ti ny - 5.7 million inhabitants - there aren't a lot of exciting statistics ab out how well this has worked, but it has attracted some attention.

who are middle aged.

differentiate between Denmark (population 5.7 million, which I've never ev en visited) and it's southern neighbour, the Netherlands (population 17 mil lion, where I lived for 19 years and worked for about ten of them).

k was never a world power, and there's no Danish Spinoza - Hans Christian A ndersen is about as close as they get.

nity college with delusions of grandeur?

That's 12. The Dutch have 18 - though I'm a bit dubious about counting Andr e Geim as Dutch.

Spinoza is famous in a way that no Nobel Laureate (with the possible except ion of Einstein - who thought highly of Spinoza) can equal. As the father o f the Radical Enlightenment, Spinoza pretty much invented the modern world view. It could be said that he stood on the shoulders of Descartes, but he did see a whole lot further. If he hadn't existed, somebody else would prob ably have carried Descartes ideas to their logical conclusion, but we might have had to wait for Einstein. People who can think that far outside the b ox are rare.

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differentiate between Denmark (population 5.7 million, which I've never ev en visited) and it's southern neighbour, the Netherlands (population 17 mil lion, where I lived for 19 years and worked for about ten of them).

k was never a world power, and there's no Danish Spinoza - Hans Christian A ndersen is about as close as they get.

nity college with delusions of grandeur?

where you lived.

Not so much "not being all that interested" as having very little idea abou t the rest of the world. There are quite a few countries in Europe, and whi le confusing Denmark and the Netherlands isn't quite as dumb as confusing F rance and Germany, it's definitely in the same ball-park.

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Some actions can reasonably be forced. People are obligated to report crimes, to grab a baby about to fall off a bridge, to get their cars inspected, to feed their kids and get them medical care if they need it, to render assistance in some situations.

Human sacrifice might be part of some religions, but is still illegal.

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