OpAmp Voter

Sep 08, 2014 32 Replies

Actually, I misread the question. I mistook "0-5v positive going signals" and "RGB command signal" for "three video-level sources to be voted on."

Since they're control signals, why not simple logic? Are the three "0-5v positive-going" control signals analog levels? Por que?

No intiendo el application.

Anyway, the discrete pile-o-parts still works, but it's closer to Vbr(be) problems, you're right.

Here it is, properly flipped (I think).

V+ --- | |/ v1 >------| |>. Q1 | '----. | V+ V+ | --- --- | | | | [R2] |/ | | v2 >------| | +-----. |>. | | | Q2 | | | Vout V+ | | |/ --- | +---| | | | |>. Q5 |/ | [R3] | v3 >------| | | | |>. | --- --- Q3 | | V- V- '----+ | [R1] | --- V-

(R4 compensates rb(Q4).)

Cheers, James Arthur

That's pretty slick--I didn't know they still made such transistors. I didn't see a complement in the data sheet--do they come in NPN too?

Using the input transistors inverted like Spehro said also works, if you needed that.

Cheers, James Arthur

See...

MostPositiveSignal_SRoberts.pdf

on the S.E.D/Schematics Page of my website. ...Jim Thompson

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Even better, I sorted out the wheat from the chaff and explained it here...

Peak-RF_Detector.pdf

on the S.E.D/Schematics Page of my website. ...Jim Thompson

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Almost certainly. But you never know, the OP might be watching 1920s shellac video discs :) Or slow scan shortwave recordings or something.

NT

MostPositiveSignal_SRoberts.pdf, on the S.E.D/Schematics Page of my website, has now been updated to include my mid'60's PECL method which will run screamingly fast, since it's all current-mode (*)

Sample-and-Hold using this technique had 4ns aperture time... and this was before any CAD to simulate it ;-) ...Jim Thompson

| James E.Thompson | mens | | Analog Innovations | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | San Tan Valley, AZ 85142 Skype: skypeanalog | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

MostPositiveSignal_SRoberts.pdf, on the S.E.D/Schematics Page of my website, has now been updated to include my mid'60's PECL method which will run screamingly fast, since it's all current-mode (*)

Sample-and-Hold using this technique had 4ns aperture time... and this was before any CAD to simulate it ;-) ...Jim Thompson

| James E.Thompson | mens | | Analog Innovations | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | San Tan Valley, AZ 85142 Skype: skypeanalog | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Some time ago, I sought variants on an old part number (MPS404A, or somesuch) that was intended as a replacement for an old Ge transistor 2N404. And, I found that there's still this one, alone in all the world, oscillator/chopper transistor that doesn't have a low Vbe breakdown. My search skills couldn't find an NPN with that characteristic - if anyone can fill in that void, I'd appreciate hearing about it...

One can always add a series diode to the emitter, of course.

Way back in 1988, a family trip to a planetarium with a laser show started my obsession with working with lasers. Which lead to a part time job in col lege working on high power ion lasers used for shows at the local marine li fe park. Which lead to a 20+ year career in using lasers for science and industry.

The light show business got me a first serious job as a technician at the local college. After all if you can keep a 30,000$ water cooled, 480 volt powered laser based on a six foot glass tube running on a rock tour, you mi ght just have the skills to keep scientific lasers running. After ten year s in academia, the more serious jobs arrived.

Which peaked as a field service engineer on systems ranging from UV to Far IR, pulse times as small as seven femtoseconds, and more then once tuning s ystems in the Terawatt peak power level.

So I have not forgot my humble laser show roots, and I help my best friend keep his laser show company running.

A frequent problem for him (and me) is dealing with collaboration when the other company has a green only laser projector, and he uses RGB. Green lase rs are cheap, red and blue light is actually expensive, even with blue lase r diodes being available.

While DMD based projectors have reduced the show/display industry to a shre d of its former self, when you need to light up a mountain or ski slope wi th a company logo, XY vector scanned laser projectors still can do things t hat arrays of DMD based video projectors can not.

So before some one laughs at my simple need for 5 KHz bandwidth, keep in mi nd that my idea of a small projection area is 150 feet by 450 feet on the w all of a building. With 60 watts of laser, at levels of optical flux that w ould melt a digital micromirror array.

Vector scanned mechanical graphics is not dead. In fact vector scanning of laser light is growing exponentially for laser marking, microscopy, and med ical diagnostics.

So I did not slip a digit or two on the scientific notation. We use gal vanometer scanners that have roughly a DC to 6 KHz frequency response for s mall angle steps, with a 3 mm square mirror attached. One scanner for up-do wn, and one for left-right. They are entirely analog, with complex PID loop s and capacitive position feedback sensors. The feedback loops are hand tun ed, usually having six 20 trimpots to adjust. The mirror inertia is about 0 .28 gm-cm and the shaft inertia is about 1/2 that. Not bad for something de rived from a moving iron meter movement. One could make a argument for worl d's fastest off the shelf mechanical servosystem. Disk drive arms are at be st, about 1/10th as fast as these.

The problem is, the further I move into the installation and repair of larg e systems, the less time I have to practice electronic design. So I'm getti ng forgetful in my old age.

So have a laugh when I tell you the industry standard driver for the signal lines is a differential pair of TL082s.

And yes, in theory, all the control signals for a large display fit on seve n channels of a DC coupled sound card, although only the hobbyists use thos e. The rest of us use Coldfire based dedicated vector processor cards. This gives us 16 bit 3D wireframe graphics with 64,000 possible colors. And No, Mr. Panteltje, I'm not going to give you a pair to play with after you accused me of slipping five orders of magnitude. I'm not THAT senile y et. :-)

Thanks guys for the much needed refresher course in active rectification.

The "select high" circuit is not a standard example in electronics texts, i n fact its quite rare in any on-line documents.

Again thanks for the examples....

Steve

Finally, some one knows the correct answer ! :)

Just a matter of scaling gains and summing.

Jamie

Using your starting point, I found a one 12V Vbr(b-e) rated NPN small-signal transistor at Mouser, by Rohm, and several rated 7V or better.

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Cheers, James Arthur

You can also do the high-select function with comparators and an analog mux.

Looks like three comparators and one 4051-type analog mux.

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com

On a sunny day (Tue, 9 Sep 2014 17:09:57 -0700 (PDT)) it happened "NoSpamI'm Lasering at Null.com" wrote in :

Well, if you would have stated what you were playing with from the beginning, you would have saved ME time.

vector scanning for large displays is dead except for some rare things like projecting your outline on the moon perhaps.

You need to work on speed :-)

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