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You've probably seen the text below.

Full text of a letter published Hi Fi News October 1996 pgs 129 and

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THE TOBEY-DINSDALE AMPLIFIER (B. 1961)

Dear Sir,

In 1959 Dick Tobey and I were working with the Guided Weapons division of Elliott Brothers (London) Ltd at Borehamwood (which later became part of GEC-Marconi), developing circuitry for inertial navigation systems using discrete germanium transistors (this was pre-silicon and pre-ICs). Searching one day for a 10W wideband power amplifier circuit, we came across an article by Lin [1] in Electronics which described the now well-known 'quasi-complementary' output configuration. Since germanium npn power transistors were unobtainable, we took Lin's basic idea and developed a practical circuit using two pnp output transistors with complementary drivers.

Like many young engineers at that time, we were both very keen on hi-fi. In the late 1950s, all top-end amplifiers used valves; some designs for transistor power amplifiers had been published, but these all required output transformers, sometimes inter-stage transformers as well, and the inevitable phase shifts prevented the application of sufficient feedback to compensate for nonlinearities and other distortion products inherent in transistor circuits of the day. There were a number of good power amplifiers on the market, but the long-established leaders were generally held to be the Leak 'Point One' and the Acoustical 'Quad 22'. I recall that my own equipment consisted then of a Garrard 301 turntable, SME 3009 arm, Decca ffss Mk I pickup, Williamson amplifiers built by myself five years before while still at school and Goodmans dual-concentric loudspeakers mounted on large sand-filled 'infinite baffles'.

Our new transformerless amplifier wasn't in the same league as Leak and Quad; it had a flat frequency response from about 20 Hz to 20 kHz (referred to then as c/s), distortion less than 0.3 % and signal/noise ratio better than 80 dB. But also ˜ joy of joys ˜ it had negligible phase shift throughout and beyond the audible frequency range because it had no transformers. Substituting the prototype into either of our hi-fi systems provided a sound quality which was certainly comparable with that of up-market valve amplifiers and very much better than any of the transistor amplifiers then available. We then developed a simple 2-stage stereo pre-amplifier with all the usual facilities, and again, the overall performance seemed as good as anything we had heard.

We decided to write up our designs for publication, choosing the journal Wireless World both for its reputation and for its generous rates of payment. This last point was doubly relevant for us because in return for appropriate acknowledgement, Elliott Brothers generously paid authors of papers in professional journals a bonus to match the publisher's fee. We also decided, before publication, to apply for provisional patent cover on one aspect of the pre-amplifier: by applying the low-pass filter around the same stage as the Baxandall-type tone controls, the filter slope was modified by the tone controls, increasing with treble boost and thus reducing the tendency for treble boost to increase background hiss.

I also thought at the time that we should have filed a further specification covering our use of a germanium diode between the bases of the complementary driver transistors to control the quiescent current in the output stage; by mounting this diode on the same heat sink as the output transistors, the thermal characteristic of the diode automatically lowered the quiescent current if the heat sink got too hot, thus reducing the chance of thermal runaway. Elliott Brothers not only encouraged staff to publish; they also allowed staff free use of the company's patent agent to help draft specifications. And so, with free professional help we filed our patent application. This point is relevant to what happened later.

Our articles describing the transformerless audio power amplifier and the stereo pre- amplifier were published by Wireless World in November and December 1961 [2],[3], and as expected they caused quite a stir. We received 64 letters from readers, the majority requiring either information on suppliers of the npn transistor or a free fault-finding service, and we were also approached by Henry's Radio off Edgware Road, the doyen of electronic hobby kit and component suppliers, asking us to check and approve their home construction kit which became known as the 'Tobey-DinsdaIe Amplifier'. We negotiated with Sylvania Thorn to make available to hobbyists a cheap npn transistor, the SYLI 750, equivalent to the mil. spec. 2N388A we had used in the prototype, which was after all a strictly for a defence application. Years later, I learned [4] that Thorn sold 484,000 of these transistors, either in ones and twos to hobbyists or in larger quantities to companies for making up into kits. I also learned that our circuit had made redundant many suppliers of output transformers, among them one Max Townshend who had been augmenting his grant as a student in Australia by winding transformers after lectures. I met Max in the late 1970s and we became firm friends in spite of my earlier attempt to cripple his education prospects.

One day, we received a phone call from Harold J Leak inviting us to visit his South London plant to demonstrate our amplifier. On the appointed evening we drove there in Tobey's Mini-cooper (remember them?) to be received by a very affable HJL in person. Most of his employees had finished work for the day, but we met a few senior staff who had stayed on specially for us. After a conducted tour of the factory we were treated to a gourmet dinner, and I recall being impressed by the sound of the company's new 'sandwich' loudspeakers. While HJL was out of the room we inspected the equipment more closely and discovered that each channel was driven by four of his valve amplifiers, which said something about the efficiency of the loudspeakers.

Before we left, HJL complimented us both on our achievement and said that his company's transistor amplifier was under development. He was also most insistent that we left the prototype with him 'for a few days' so that he could carry out some measurements. We emphasised that the cases were not to be opened up, pointing out that we had taken the precaution of sealing all the screws with the official 'tamper-proof' red lacquer used at Elliott Brothers by MoD inspectors. HJL assured us that the cases would remain unsullied, and we returned home well after midnight basking in the glow of a memorable evening.

Two weeks later the prototype amplifier had still not been returned, and it took several phone calls to the company before it reappeared with all of the screws loosened, some missing. Our complaint to HJL was dismissed with a vague apology that his staff 'hadn't followed instructions'. Some time later I read in the audio press that Leak were planning to launch a transistor hi-fi amplifier at the forthcoming Audio Fair, to be held in the Russell Hotel. One evening I received a phone call at home from a dealer I knew.

'Have you seen Leak's new Stereo 30 amplifier?'

'No, not yet ˜ I'm hoping to hear it at the Audio Fair.'

'It's almost exactly your design - resistor values, everything! The transistors have funny numbers, but they'll be cheap equivalents.'

'How do you know all this?' 'I'm going to stock them in the shop, and they've sent me the servicing booklet. I'll make you a photocopy. '

The copy duly arrived, and it was indeed almost identical to the Tobey-Dinsdale circuit. Now this was naughty. We realised that once the circuit had been published anyone could use it, but we didn't see why Leak should make money at our expense, especially after looking inside without our agreement. And he clearly didn't know about the patent application!

My friends at Wireless World were only too happy to send me a Press pass for the Audio Fair, and I crept into the back of a very crowded Leak room to hear HJL in full flow describing and demonstrating the Stereo 30. After the demo. I joined the enthusiastic crowd around HJL and when I could get a word in I started to complain that he was using our design without acknowledgement. HJL didn't want to listen, until I added: 'I suppose you know that the circuit is patented'. Immediately, his attitude changed. Disentangling himself from the crowd of dealers and reviewers he led me into a side room.

'I'm going to tell you a true story', he said. 'When I was about your age, I was interested in condenser microphones. I did some development work and came up with what I thought was a new idea. I wanted to find out whether my idea was original, so I spent several afternoons at the Patents Office library in Chancery Lane investigating patents on condenser microphones. One day, a man approached me and asked what I was doing, and I said that I had an idea for a new type of microphone. The man then said "I am from Westinghouse, and we are currently the principal world supplier of condenser microphones. If you do anything to rock our boat, we will break you financially; we have far more money than you".'

HJL then looked me straight in the eye and added 'I have far more money than you, and if you rock my boat I will destroy you.'

I was totally devastated by this outburst, and left the room in confusion. Later on, Tobey and I decided that there was probably little we could do without spending quite a lot of time and money, and risking much more, so sadly we dropped the matter. With hindsight, I realise that I should have replied to HJL, with some degree of truth,

'But Mr Leak, the amplifier patent was prepared by Elliott Brothers, and I fancy that they probably have more money even than you!'

But one only thinks of these things later.

Wireless World published updated circuits in January and February 1965 [5], including working drawings (prepared by myself) showing printed circuits, metal cases and wiring details, which brought me a further postbag of 90 readers' letters. I was disappointed when amplifiers based on the design were marketed (without acknowledgement) by Goodmans and Truvox, but heartened when the US company Daystrom, famous for its range of 'Heathkits', paid me to check and approve their professional kit based on my circuit.

I have already explained that the amplifier was originally designed for the defence industry, and it performed as well for the military as for the hi-fi community. The most memorable mid 1960s, when it was used to control the early experiments with the VTOL engine, which resulted in the Harrier jump-jet aircraft.

There were a number of amusing incidents. On one occasion, the Government Chief Scientist paid an official visit to Elliott Brothers. After the usual tour of the plant he demanded to speak with myself. The company directors had no idea what this was all about, but I was hurriedly summoned from my development bench and told to clean myself up. I arrived at the directors' conference room to find that this illustrious visitor was building my circuit in his spare time and needed some advice! We continued to correspond and, needless to say, he was delighted with his amplifier. Many engineers in industry used their companies' facilities unofficially to manufacture my amplifiers. In one such company ˜ a household name ˜ a small error on their version of the printed circuit resulted in several hundred output transistors being written off. Rather than throw the corpses away, they were linked together to make a 'Dinsdale belt', which was presented to me when I visited the area to speak at a meeting of the IEE.

In conclusion, it can fairly be said 35 years after its inception that the performance of the Tobey- Dinsdale amplifier, while representing a break-through at the time, was no match for the excellent circuit designs which were to follow. Nevertheless, this early work is significant because not only did it draw attention to Lin's important but largely unrecognised work of five years before, but it also demonstrated to a public, largely disenchanted with the poor performance of contemporary transistor amplifiers using output transformers, that sound quality approaching that from valve amplifiers was possible from these devices. Hence this work stimulated a serious reappraisal of the merits of transistors in high quality audio applications, and also paved the way for subsequent work by Bailey, Linsley Hood, Self and many more. Today, 35 years later, I occasionally meet someone who proudly tells me that they used to own a Tobey-Dinsdale amplifier.

Some even claim that it still works, although I suspect that the electrolytics will be rather dry by now.

Jack Dinsdale, Dundee

  1. Lin, HC: Quasi-Complementary Transistor Amplifier, Electronics, Sept. 1956

  1. Tobey, R and Dinsdale, J: Transistor Audio Amplifier, Wireless World, Now. 1961

  2. Tobey, R and Dinsdale, J: High Fidelity Pre-amplifier, Wireless World, Dec. 1961

  1. Dinsdale, J: A Design in Retrospect, Wireless World, Nov. 1969

  2. Dinsciale, J: Transistor High Quality Audio Amplifier, Wireless World, Jan/Feb. 1965

Wow. I hadn't seen and wasn't aware of most of that. Thanks for posting it.

Yes, good read. Elector (Electuur in Dutch) :-) Radio Electronica (Dutch) Dr Dobb's

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And of course a bit earlier:
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And many more, here in the Netherlands.

Books? Not so much, that X chapter thing? Art of tronix? downloaded one free chapter on my Pocketbook Aqua2 reader. Have not really read it, nothing new...

Had (have?) this one, free online too anyways:

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And some financial books, this one for example:
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Best electronic book, where I really leared ALL about radio as kid was, Dutch version:

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Eugene Aisberg did one on TV and one on transistors too later, have read them all.
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There was an other book wehre I learned all about the US color TV system that I once borrowed from somebody, forgot the name of that book. There were several German magazines I did read too, Funkshau for example,

Maybe I shoot ! write my own Fart of Electronics Annie Wees I have my website. panteltje.nl

And ARRL handbook is a must too:

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For the rest it is all simple, including grafity and spades and really triffity

Do not read Albert KeinStein, it does explan nothing.

Am 25.02.26 um 04:44 schrieb john larkin:

One can see the influence of the SMA center connector on the picture of the solder-friendly board on the unpopulated side. The dip is by far not as severe.

I wanted to make sure that I don't ask for trouble if I meander from a ball grid array.

... but have enough gnd vias around. *ON* the board it's layer L2 that counts for GND.

For a NMR project on 8 GHz, I had a mixed Rogers TMM-6 & FR4 board. Not from JLCPCB but the customer's favourite shop around the corner.

The strip lines ended up on the FR-4 side, power supply on TMM_6. Yes, we *had* talked about the stackup. It's clearly the best not to expect people thinking or to deviate from their daily routine.

BTW, TMM-6 is a brittle, ugly material which feels much like an eraser gum. I would not use it alone without FR4 for mechanical reasons.

We used to build oil/gaz pipeline pigs. FR4 may soak up hydrocarbons and swell. That may crack the vias open. So we went to boards made from Kapton.

Be alarmed when the factory offers short production times. Kapton prepregs have a shelf live of only a few weeks. They may be tempted sell you prepregs that are left over from a project half a year ago. Your boards will de-laminate after two weeks in the field. Been there, seen that, with luxury top notch FPGAs that cost 1000s. :-(

cheers, Gerhard

Here's a board, composite FR4 and one of those gooey Rogers laminates.

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John Larkin Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center Lunatic Fringe Electronics

Tubes, and initially transistors, used to be more expensive than transformers, so transformers gave cheap and reliable power gain.

John Larkin Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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Transformers have never given power gain. What did you really mean?

Don't be so fussy; I said give, not have.

Impedance mismatches waste power. Different directions for tubes vs transistors.

I recall someone making a tube audio power amp without transformers.

John Larkin Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center Lunatic Fringe Electronics

AoE is worth reading cover to cover.

I'd never heard of impact ionization gate current in jfets, which explained a problem I was having. It's full of goodies like that.

The X-chapters are great too.

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Transformers with a control winding, aka magnetic amplifiers, were used for power gain in servo systems and a few other applications from 1904 through at least mid 1980s. Very reliable but drift with temperature.

Either of those is misleading.

I think you meant that matching a valve amplifier to its load by means of a transformer allows it to deliver more power than if the load were mismatched.

Philips designed one using two power pentodes in a 'totem-pole' configuration. The loudspeaker had to be specially wound to give a much higher impedance than normal. There was also another variant which used a centre-tapped loudspeaker.

The valves were television types that had been designed to handle high peak currents at low H.T. voltages. They were heater-chain types with high voltage heater-cathode insulation, which was necessary for the upper valve of the pair.

Do you avoid using passive matching networks, for amps or antennas, because the concept of increasing power is misleading?

Nice phrase, "duh".

It's very Slomanesque, taking something obvious in its most literal and distant meaning and then whining about imprecision.

There was some monster tube that Tek used in their scope power supplies, a high current low-u triode I recall.

John Larkin Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center Lunatic Fringe Electronics

Before triacs and mosfets, there were all sorts of weird things with actual power gain. Amplidynes, carbon piles, saturable reactors, clutches, motorized variacs, photoresistors, electrolytic things.

John Larkin Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center Lunatic Fringe Electronics

Of course I try to match the source to the load with passive devices so as to optimise the power delivered the load but they don't increase the power.

"Power gain" has a specific meaning, "matching the source to the load" has another meaning that is completely different. A matching device does not increase the power, it transfers the power without adding to it in any way.

That's right, reducing wasted power is not the same thing as "power gain".

I often have to explain to semi-technical people that things like acoustic horns do not amplify the sound, they simply provide better matching to the acoustic impedance of the air. It's not whining about imprecision to use the correct terminology.

You appeared to me to have enough knowledge of the fundamentals to understand the difference between the two concepts and I gave you the credit for this but assumed you had simply expressed it badly.

You should be a lawyer when you grow up.

John Larkin Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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So WTF BUY books?????

Are we all redundant now?

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Transductors, designed with those for high power applications in the sixtoes.

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also used for pincusshion corection in color TV sets.

I'm not sure what that is suppoed to mean but I assumed the inaccuracy of your original statement was due to a momentary slip on your part, not an abysmal lack of knowledge. If you are now stating that my assumption was wrong, I thank you for your frankness.

Don't be so stupid.

It doesn't "waste power". It just makes it impossible to deliver much of it.

Some big tubes can deliver quite a lot of current.

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