Molten Salt Nuclear Meltdown-Proof Reactors- WTH Is Taking Them So Long?

Agency, the United Nations, the Obama Administration and even over 70% of climate scientists agree that we must ramp up nuclear power if we are going succeed in dealing with climate change. Because of its exceptional safety and low cost, perhaps MSR technology is a nuclear technology that most ever yone can embrace."

enewable generation as recently occurred in Texas.

made several errors in estimating nuclear waste reuse, seems they lost fina ncial backing.

I don't see any mention of a "cold start" hurdle. The number one issue will be regulatory changes required to accommodate a radically new technology- AS USUAL.

The design requires a different repertoire of materials and tolerances. App arently the high neutron flux density present in MSR causes damage to thing s like nickle and iron alloys commonly used in reactor piping. A major cons ideration is the reactor can be used to produce weapons grade material. And then there is the not inconsiderable requirement for an onsite chemical pl ant to manage core mixture and remove fission products.

The individuals going for the gold are confident they have the engineering/ scientific hurdles beat. This is a different era and we have the tools to solve these kinds of problems quickly.

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taff to 16 employees, making it the largest reactor development start-up in Europe."

lysis software for their process!

reactor technology, but they won't. The U.S. has to be the most unmovable process in the world. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC), puts all app lications for construction permits on 5-year schedule, and ultimately wants a detailed engineering blueprint of every little aspect of the plan before the permit is granted. The application process alone can cost hundreds of millions of dollars. You're never going to get anything done with that kind of overhead, it's a major impediment to progress.

ne can say this about a new technology that has not been tested in any sign ificant way.

imary reaction. I don't think we've ever seen that anywhere other than Che rnobyl perhaps. The other accidents at civilian reactors has been from the residual heat from the fission products. The only way to deal with this i s to cool the reactor. Loose your cooling and it will melt down even if th e moderator is removed and the control rods are inserted.

Catastrophic meltdown is not a danger with this technology, the reaction se lf-extinguishes if for some reason it can no longer be contained. And runaw ay prevention is totally passive in that it does not require manual interve ntion. A temperature sensitive plug melts and dumps the molten salt into ho lding tanks using gravity. The reaction chamber operates at atmospheric pre ssure so that all the headache with developing a super unbreachbable contai nment system is eliminated. There is absolutely no possibility of venting a high pressure super radioactive iodine gas cloud or some such the hysteric s are always complaining about...The technology is intrinsically safe.

gy Agency, the United Nations, the Obama Administration and even over 70% o f climate scientists agree that we must ramp up nuclear power if we are goi ng succeed in dealing with climate change. Because of its exceptional safet y and low cost, perhaps MSR technology is a nuclear technology that most ev eryone can embrace."

renewable generation as recently occurred in Texas.

y made several errors in estimating nuclear waste reuse, seems they lost fi nancial backing.

ll be regulatory changes required to accommodate a radically new technology

- AS USUAL.

By regulatory changes, you mean proving it is safe before being unleashed o n the public??? Yes, that is what will happen and that is what is best.

Heck, if it is a good technology, we will be able to use it for centuries o r even millennia. Is there really a need to rush it into utilization befor e it is proven and the bugs worked out?

pparently the high neutron flux density present in MSR causes damage to thi ngs like nickle and iron alloys commonly used in reactor piping. A major co nsideration is the reactor can be used to produce weapons grade material. A nd then there is the not inconsiderable requirement for an onsite chemical plant to manage core mixture and remove fission products.

I've never heard that it can be used to produce weapon grade material, in f act the opposite. Even the waste is hard to use for dirty bombs because it is too dangerous to handle casually. That may be only for a thorium react or since that was the topic where I have seen MSR discussed.

g/ scientific hurdles beat. This is a different era and we have the tools t o solve these kinds of problems quickly.

That statement is what they call "hubris" I believe. "Nemesis is the godde ss who enacts retribution against those who succumb to hubris (arrogance be fore the gods)"

Here you contradict yourself by giving us the problem areas that have not b een worked out yet and so we can't have complete confidence there will be e asy solutions.

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Isn't that what always happens?

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Clive

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ergy Agency, the United Nations, the Obama Administration and even over 70% of climate scientists agree that we must ramp up nuclear power if we are g oing succeed in dealing with climate change. Because of its exceptional saf ety and low cost, perhaps MSR technology is a nuclear technology that most everyone can embrace."

he renewable generation as recently occurred in Texas.

hey made several errors in estimating nuclear waste reuse, seems they lost financial backing.

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will be regulatory changes required to accommodate a radically new technolo gy- AS USUAL.

on the public??? Yes, that is what will happen and that is what is best.

or even millennia. Is there really a need to rush it into utilization bef ore it is proven and the bugs worked out?

Apparently the high neutron flux density present in MSR causes damage to t hings like nickle and iron alloys commonly used in reactor piping. A major consideration is the reactor can be used to produce weapons grade material. And then there is the not inconsiderable requirement for an onsite chemica l plant to manage core mixture and remove fission products.

fact the opposite. Even the waste is hard to use for dirty bombs because it is too dangerous to handle casually. That may be only for a thorium rea ctor since that was the topic where I have seen MSR discussed.

ing/ scientific hurdles beat. This is a different era and we have the tools to solve these kinds of problems quickly.

dess who enacts retribution against those who succumb to hubris (arrogance before the gods)"

been worked out yet and so we can't have complete confidence there will be easy solutions.

No, that's not what that means. The statement refers to the necessity of ch anges to boiler plate subsystems of conventional water based reactor design . I would suggest remedial reading comprehension class, but even that won't h elp you.

Only when the stupid and emotional are involved in making the decisions.

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0% of climate scientists agree that we must ramp up nuclear power if we are going succeed in dealing with climate change. Because of its exceptional s afety and low cost, perhaps MSR technology is a nuclear technology that mos t everyone can embrace."

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e will be regulatory changes required to accommodate a radically new techno logy- AS USUAL.

ed on the public??? Yes, that is what will happen and that is what is best .

es or even millennia. Is there really a need to rush it into utilization b efore it is proven and the bugs worked out?

s. Apparently the high neutron flux density present in MSR causes damage to things like nickle and iron alloys commonly used in reactor piping. A majo r consideration is the reactor can be used to produce weapons grade materia l. And then there is the not inconsiderable requirement for an onsite chemi cal plant to manage core mixture and remove fission products.

in fact the opposite. Even the waste is hard to use for dirty bombs becaus e it is too dangerous to handle casually. That may be only for a thorium r eactor since that was the topic where I have seen MSR discussed.

ering/ scientific hurdles beat. This is a different era and we have the too ls to solve these kinds of problems quickly.

oddess who enacts retribution against those who succumb to hubris (arroganc e before the gods)"

ot been worked out yet and so we can't have complete confidence there will be easy solutions.

changes to boiler plate subsystems of conventional water based reactor desi gn.

You say you disagree with me, then you again say what I am saying. These r eactors have design requirements that need to be studied and resolved witho ut rushing into solutions that are only half thought out.

"Boiler plate" refers to design aspects that have been resolved and can be implemented without study or significant risk. "Changes to boiler plate" m eans exactly what I am saying, there may be solutions or these solutions ma y end up being difficult.

"Required onsite chemical plant to manage core mixture and remove fission p roducts"

No reactor has been designed like this before, so it is entirely new territ ory and needs to be researched.

"Required regulatory changes to deal with radically different design featur es"

That means we don't know enough about these reactors to know exactly how to regulate them, so further study into how to keep them safe.

help you."

No, but perhaps it will help you if you try reading about these systems.

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ries or even millennia. Is there really a need to rush it into utilization before it is proven and the bugs worked out?

ces. Apparently the high neutron flux density present in MSR causes damage to things like nickle and iron alloys commonly used in reactor piping. A ma jor consideration is the reactor can be used to produce weapons grade mater ial. And then there is the not inconsiderable requirement for an onsite che mical plant to manage core mixture and remove fission products.

, in fact the opposite. Even the waste is hard to use for dirty bombs beca use it is too dangerous to handle casually. That may be only for a thorium reactor since that was the topic where I have seen MSR discussed.

neering/ scientific hurdles beat. This is a different era and we have the t ools to solve these kinds of problems quickly.

goddess who enacts retribution against those who succumb to hubris (arroga nce before the gods)"

not been worked out yet and so we can't have complete confidence there wil l be easy solutions.

f changes to boiler plate subsystems of conventional water based reactor de sign.

reactors have design requirements that need to be studied and resolved wit hout rushing into solutions that are only half thought out.

e implemented without study or significant risk. "Changes to boiler plate" means exactly what I am saying, there may be solutions or these solutions may end up being difficult.

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to regulate them, so further study into how to keep them safe.

Isn't it time for you to join the little old ladies at the book club meetin g?

Prototypes of this reactor have been built and are in the process of being built. The people working these solutions know this reactor technology very well. There's no need for a bunch of mindless discussion of generic topics by non-experts.

't help you."

You mean like always?

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Clive

ries or even millennia. Is there really a need to rush it into utilization before it is proven and the bugs worked out?

Most of the decisions we make are made quickly. Even if we then take the ti me to rethink them slowly it takes a conscious effort to over-ride the quic k and dirty decision-making system.

Not-invented-here is a very pervasive vice, because it's the easy way out.

"Rushing stuff into utilisation" is what happens when it has a clear and ob vious advantage. There are always bugs to be worked out, but that's what en gineers are for. Early adopters usually know what they are letting themselv es in for, but balance the advantages of the new technology against the ris k that the bugs may be serious.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

Oh, where? I don't recall hearing about any. In fact, I see references to the "only" MSR being the two the US built. Can you point me to a reference of any MSR actually built other than these two?

I see you snipped my point about the possibility that you might actually read about the topic.

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ty of changes to boiler plate subsystems of conventional water based reacto r design.

hese reactors have design requirements that need to be studied and resolved without rushing into solutions that are only half thought out.

an be implemented without study or significant risk. "Changes to boiler pl ate" means exactly what I am saying, there may be solutions or these soluti ons may end up being difficult.

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how to regulate them, so further study into how to keep them safe.

ing built. The people working these solutions know this reactor technology very well. There's no need for a bunch of mindless discussion of generic to pics by non-experts.

to the "only" MSR being the two the US built. Can you point me to a refere nce of any MSR actually built other than these two?

read about the topic.

You're inability to discover information is not our problem.

sity of changes to boiler plate subsystems of conventional water based reac tor design.

These reactors have design requirements that need to be studied and resolv ed without rushing into solutions that are only half thought out.

can be implemented without study or significant risk. "Changes to boiler plate" means exactly what I am saying, there may be solutions or these solu tions may end up being difficult.

ission products"

w territory and needs to be researched.

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y how to regulate them, so further study into how to keep them safe.

being built. The people working these solutions know this reactor technolog y very well. There's no need for a bunch of mindless discussion of generic topics by non-experts.

s to the "only" MSR being the two the US built. Can you point me to a refe rence of any MSR actually built other than these two?

y read about the topic.

Uh, the word is "your", not "you're" and the inability to discover informat ion isn't mine, it's YOURs.

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