MEMS technology

Any special issues/handling related to using these devices in designs?

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Don Y
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Which mems? There are lots of them.

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jlarkin

Some MEMS oscillators stop oscillating when exposed to helium gas. They recover a few weeks later. There are other designs that are immune.

John

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John Walliker

Then there are digital micromirror devices (DMDs) used for projectors, MEMS galvo scanners, diffractive MEMS add/drop couplers for telecoms, MEMS relays, and on and on.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Phil Hobbs

Microphones and accelerometers too.

MEMS relays were very promising once, but were apparently unreliable.

Pity.

Reply to
John Larkin

Yeah, the intersection of good MEMs metals and good contact metals turned out to be the null set. :(

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Phil Hobbs

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Phil Hobbs

Like reed relays. Clean metals cold-weld, and with low separation forces tend to stick.

Maybe that's another perversity of nature, good electrical contact materials stick.

Why not build in an unstick shaker?

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John Larkin

mandag den 5. juli 2021 kl. 18.34.54 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:

I believe ultrasonic cleaning can damage or destroy some mems devices

Reply to
Lasse Langwadt Christensen

That would make sense. But, aside from manufacturing, it would be hard to imagine a typical application domain where a "device" would typically be ultrasonic cleaned.

Reply to
Don Y

Maybe if you're making a sensor for auto-tuning ultrasonic cleaner drivers.

;-)

Reply to
Spehro Pefhany

We have bought XOs (not mems) that have warnings against ultrasonic cleaning.

Does anyone use ultrasonic cleaning for electronics?

Reply to
jlarkin

Stickiness doesn't argue against reed relays; you can unstick 'em by applying two N poles to the ends, and creating magnetic repulsion. It just depends on how you choose to drive them.

Reply to
whit3rd

Oh, that's very practical when you have hundreds of them in remotely controlled instruments.

That said, in fact my experience with Elfein and Pickering reed switches has been excellent, with many switches having exceeded

500M operations without failures. Au contraire, the miniature Omron SPDT SMD relays have been miserable right from the start. The docs don't say you can't wash them.

Jeroen Belleman

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Jeroen Belleman

We've used over 100K of the Fujitsu equivalent, regular and latching, and they have been fine. But don't water wash them either. Solvent is OK.

We're going all no-clean anyhow.

DPDT is cool. You can build matrix trees, range switches, flying capacitors, all sorts of stuff. See AoE3 p 360.

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jlarkin

It was thought at one time that there might be an issue with flux residue becoming a little conductive at high temperatures. I don't know if that was ever proved, but for a while at least, ultrasonic cleaning was supposed to be the solution for repair work.

Reply to
Clive Arthur

Yes, of course it is; it's how a reed would be configured for latching-relay use, with a suitable magnetizable armature.

Or, you could unstick one by hand with a couple of cow magnets, I suppose.

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whit3rd

I had never come across the idea of feeding magnets to cows before. Feeding them to children seems to have caused a few deaths.

John

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John Walliker

Been doing that with cows for years.

Reply to
gray_wolf

Plus you can stick them on your fuel lines and get 200 MPG. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Phil Hobbs

the issue is eating more than one and getting the intestine pinched between them

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Lasse Langwadt Christensen

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