Low Frequency Radio Transmission for long distance.

Apr 18, 2016 196 Replies

I really wonder if patent US20130121397 A1 would hold up. It seems to fail the "obviousness" test....

"
  1. A radio receiver method, said method comprising: receiving a broadcast signal comprising phase modulation (PM) over a legacy amplitude modulated (AM) signal, said broadcast signal encoded with time information; and extracting said time information from the phase of said received signal. "

Clearly, this is describing the concept of receiving the signal that is being broadcast without indicating anything unique about how to do that. Claims starting with 9 reiterate the same claims but in regard to an actual receiver, again, without saying anything specific about said receiver. Claim 18 is very similar to claim 1.

So what in patent US20130121397 A1 is actually "novel"?

Rick

The European synchronization source is probably German DCF77, on

77.5 kHz, near Frankfurt am Main. Its range is around 2000 km, so here at the limit, the clocks sync in nighttime, but not so well during sunlit hours.
-TV Helsinki, Finland

actually, once it is despread, the GPS signal is well ABOVE the thermal noise floor

it only "seems" to be near the noise floor due to the spreading

If you had a 'perfect" spectrum analyzer, you wouldn't see it. It is

*below* the noise floor.

Nope. The GPS L1 signal is about 24MHz wide: and arrives on earth about at about 26dB below the thermal noise floor. In order to see anything that's 24MHz wide, you'll need to run your spectrum analyzer with a rather wide IF bandwidth, which will bring in plenty of noise under which the signal can hide. You won't see anything unless your perfect spectrum analyzer can run near absolute zero temperature, where the thermal noise is gone.

When you de-spread the spread spectrum signal, and enjoy the benefits of processing gain, the signal becomes rather narrow band (about

100Hz) and increases in amplitude thanks to a theoretical 43.1dB of processing gain. Starting at 26dB below the noise, the signal is now: -26dB + 43.1dB = 17.1dB above the noise which can easily be seen on a spectrum analyzer.
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 21:13:56 -0400, krw Gave us:

You're an idiot.

0dBm = 0W or negative infinity

-192.5 dBm is the thermal noise floor for 1Hz bandwidth in outer space..

-127.5 is the typical received signal strength from a GSP satellite

-111 dBm is the thermal noise floor for COMMERCIAL GPS single channel signal bandwidth (2MHz)

Nice try, punk.

0dBm means 0dB above a reference level of 1 milliwatt into 50 ohms.

What's a GSP satellite? If you mean GPS, the typical signal power is about -130dBm.

That's correct for L1. Either way, the signal is: 111 - 130 = 19dB below the noise floor.

Drivel: Home made GPS. Looks nice:

Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

I think not.

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com

On Mon, 02 May 2016 12:12:34 -0700, Jeff Liebermann Gave us:

It was supposed to be negative infinity dBm but that "character" is not available.

On Mon, 02 May 2016 12:12:34 -0700, Jeff Liebermann Gave us:

Pissing and moaning about some mild dyslexia? f*ck you "computah" retahd.

On Mon, 02 May 2016 12:25:48 -0700, John Larkin Gave us:

It is supposed to be an infinity sign, idiot.

0 dBm is not 0 watts.

0 dBm is not negative infinity.

What did you mean?

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com

You're always wrong, AlwaysWrong.

LOL! You're funny!

You're *ALWAYS* wrong. You add to the proof every day. If you had an ounce of gray matter you'd learn how to use Google.

He means that he's wrong. ...about everything.

But when he is wrong, WE are stupid!

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com

That sort of mistake is not going to look good in a proposal. He should check his work before publishing.

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com

...and he's wrong. What would you expect?

On Mon, 02 May 2016 16:17:12 -0700, John Larkin Gave us:

I told you it was supposed to be an infinity symbol

meter range.

Nobody uses infinity when measuring power levels. Negative infinity makes no sense and you're still wrong.

A while ago, I couldn't convince you to say something nice. Perhaps I can get you to admit that you were wrong. Just admit that you screwed up, and we can continue from there. No flame war required. It only hurts for a moment and will do little to damage what is left of your reputation. I know, because my batting average in SED is only slightly better than yours.

Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Mon, 02 May 2016 18:15:59 -0700, Jeff Liebermann Gave us:

Negative infinity represents zero power, which is not well expressed in dBm, putz.. So the "value" IS "negative infinity"

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