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Keil MDK unaffordable

Winfield Hill:

affordable.

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about this?

pretty all CortexM and quite a few other ARMs as well. You do get the "middleware" but it's not that good (it may be value for money - it's a small fraction of the price of Micrium and others.)

I've got kind of used to it and the debugging support is good - I don't like the software pack system but you don't (quite) have to use it. If I were starting again (and when I have time) I'd look at GCC and perhaps the Lauterbach debugger.

comapred with other tools that I use that seems reasonable. If you don't

Before going down the GCC route check out the debugging - with a tool (ULINK Pro, Lauterbach etc) that can do trace the Keil debugging is good.

MK

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Michael Kellett
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Cocaine, Crack, and Code.

You're not wrong.

John Fields

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John Fields

I recall using Subversion without learning much about it thinking I would learn as I went along. It seemed to be ok for a while, but eventually I ran into some problems I didn't understand. I tried getting help in the forums on the web site and got only one person responding. I didn't know enough to answer even his basic questions and his end solution was for me to pay for a consultant. lol

The intent wasn't be be snarky, but there was no interest in helping someone without a certain level of experience with the tool. I found that to be a bit snobbish. I don't think this attitude is uncommon with the community support for open source products. I want to use tools, many in the open source community feel you should be able to write the tools.

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Rick C
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rickman

That is why licenses are written to prevent you from claiming "incidental damages".

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Rick C
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rickman

One of the nice things about liability law is that contracts can be overridden if the liable act is egregious enough. But costing you time fighting with licensing is not likely to meet that standard.

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Rick C
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rickman

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("WEAPONARY"?? - weaponry, I suppose)

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Spehro Pefhany 
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Spehro Pefhany

Irrelevant (mostly). Liability law won't be overridden if the limits are clearly expressed in the contract and there is no fraud. On the other side, you'd have to prove actual damages. It's going to be pretty tough to do, over the cost of the software. That's reality.

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krw

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