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Is the "Load" Really the Source?

I was talking to an inventor who claims conventional electronics is explained "backwards".

The power for a circuit actually flows from the load to the so-called supply, and amplifiers get hot simply because they resist this.

I assume he is referring to some higher energy potential in the atmosphere that only needs the proper conduit to be tapped into.

The battery or power supply functions as the point of attraction or sink.

An analogy would be that we are trying to pump energy up when we should be providing an unobstructed path for it to descend to a lower rest state.

Is there any chance this could be possible?

Bob Miller

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Bob Miller
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He must be a Democrat ;)

Conventional current flow is opposite the flow of electrons. If that means anything.

Cheers

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Martin Riddle

"Bob Miller = Gullible Jerk "

** Can he explain why is it that batteries go flat ?

Lemme guess, he invents perpetual motion machines - right ?

.... Phil

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Phil Allison

Does he sell dark-absorbing bulbs also?

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Tim Williams

There's a reason that the words "inventor" and "crackpot" often occur together.

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Tim Wescott

Did he explain that last Sunday ?

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upsidedown

Absolutely not. Light bulbs 'give off light', they do not 'suck dark'.

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100WattDarkSucker

More likely he takes money off investors for a "free energy" scam.

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Martin Brown

Our convention that power comes out of the supply and ends up either as heat or in the load arises from a mathematical model of the way part of the universe works.

If he can construct a model that contains a quantity that the mathematics reasonably describes as flowing from the load to the supply, and in some way accounts for what we conventionally regard as heat dissipation due to inefficiencies, then his model may be as valid as the one we use. It would be somewhat confusing to call that quantity "power" since that term has already been used to refer to the quantity in our usual model.

But it's a big "if". Most likely he's just waving his hands in the air after partaking of some illicit substances.

Sylvia.

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Sylvia Else

perhaps he's living near a TV broadcast station?

naah

What is 'reversed' is _probably_ the usual conventions used to describe power transfer in electrical circuits. Loads are thus producing a positive Wattage and sources a negative one. This makes totally sense when observed from the 'outside', say a heater giving off(+) energy. Or a battery depleting(-) it's chemical reservoir. From the 'inside the circuit' perspective it looks reversed of course. The thing that matters for the direction of energy transfer is that the signs are _different_, not what they are...

And of course there's also the difference between direction of current and electron flow as someone mentioned here earlier. This is due to historic reasons and does not make a difference either, as long as it is used in a consistent manner(=do not switch conventions halfway through calculations).

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Johann Klammer

Martin Brown schrieb:

Hello,

but he claims the cash is flowing from him to the investor...

Bye

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Uwe Hercksen

About as much as finding a nice ocean front lot in Arizona.

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Michael A. Terrell

Next Californica earthquake and Yuma will be :-) ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

Ocean front? Yes. Nice? Who knows? You'll have millions of illegals trying to swim to shore. ;-)

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Michael A. Terrell

What do you suck, Mr Nymbecile?

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Pomegranate Bastard

What? a new physics?

Jamie

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Jamie

Does he know what "entropy" means? Perhaps he could benefit from a bit of Carnot knowledge of thermodynamics.

Well, some power _will_ flow from a load back to the amplifier if the amplifier is not powered but a conductive path exists and the load is slightly warmer than the amplifier. Someone could probably work this effect into a potentially convincing Powerpoint presentation.

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Spehro Pefhany

There was a trendy term 'exergy' back in the early days of the energy crisis. Exergy is the 'absence of energy'. Maybe just a case of changing the pluses to minuses in the equations. Good for another PhD.

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Bruce Varley

As in: "That Carnot possibly work"?

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