Idea for Smart Charge Amplifier

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While developing a signal conditioner for a piezo force sensor, I came up with a method that looks intriguing. Basically a charge amplifier accumulates charge on a capacitor which is buffered by a very high-impedance amplifier. The traditional method of dealing with the AC nature of the circuit is to place a very high resistance around the capacitor. This leads to a sometimes difficult tradeoff between sensitivity and low frequency response. A large capacitor gives better low-frequency response, but it also lowers the sensitivity (volts per Coulomb ). Ultimately some reference needs to be made to the application. In the case of a force sensor, if absolute force is needed, then there must be a provision for doing a tare shortly before beginning the measurement, which must last only as long as the leakage resistances allow.

My idea is to replace the bleed resistor with intelligent control. If a microcontroller is involved anyway, then it can know when a tare is possible. At that time, it can inject a controlled amount of charge into the capacitor through an ultra low leakage diode. By reading the output of the charge amplifier, the micro can form a closed loop to force a known charge into the capacitor and thus perform a tare.

Currently, my design charges a capacitor from the piezo sensor, which is then buffered by a source-follower JFET stage (with less than 20 pA gate leakage). The micro reads the source voltage. There is no resistor around the capacitor, other than the inherent leakage of the circuit components. This optimizes the low-frequency response without the use of exotic multi-gigohm resistors. Using the gate-source junction of the same type of FET as low-leakage diodes, the micro injects (+) or (-) charge during the tare period. What do you think of this approach?

-Robert Scott Ypsilanti, Michigan

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Robert Scott

This isn't especially new. It can work better than resistor reset if you use correlated double sampling--i.e. reset, digitize, integrate, digitize, reset.....

Otherwise, the noise is just the same--kT/C rms.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

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Phil Hobbs

This isn't especially new. It can work better than resistor reset if you use correlated double sampling--i.e. reset, digitize, integrate, digitize, reset.....

Otherwise, the noise is just the same--kT/C rms. No matter what sort of switch you use, you always get that uncertainty as a minimum.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

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Phil Hobbs

This isn't especially new. It can work better than resistor reset if you use correlated double sampling--i.e. reset, digitize, integrate, digitize, reset.....

Otherwise, the noise is just the same--kT/C rms. No matter what sort of switch you use, you always get that uncertainty as a minimum.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

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Phil Hobbs

This isn't especially new. It can work better than resistor reset if you use correlated double sampling--i.e. reset, digitize, integrate, digitize, reset.....

Otherwise, the noise is just the same--kT/C rms. No matter what sort of switch you use, you always get that uncertainty as a minimum.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

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Phil Hobbs

Yeah, well, my silly IP tunnelling work net connection s-s-s-stutters, w-w-what can I t-tell you.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

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Phil Hobbs

Right--reset, digitize, integrate, digitize, reset, digitize, integrate, digitize, reset, digitize.....

CCDs have exactly the same problem, and this is how CCD readouts are designed.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

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Phil Hobbs

Could you please explain correlated double sampling? Does it mean this:

  1. Reset by forcing a tare charge onto the capacitor
  2. Read the amplifier output to deterimine the error in step 1
  3. Integrate charge
  4. Read amplifier output and compare it with the digital zero read in step 2.

-Robert Scott Ypsilanti, Michigan

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Robert Scott

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