FET as linear mode heater

May 01, 2015 65 Replies

Sure--it's a tradeoff between gradients and complexity. The problem it's intended to address may be one you don't need to worry about, namely the way the spatial heating distribution of the FET+resistor approach moves around depending on the dissipation.

If the temperature slew is sufficiently slow, or if you aren't sensitive to the gradients changing shape with time, KISS is certainly the way to go.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

OK good point about the gradients. I don't think that will be an issue in this case, but it's good to keep in mind.

George H.

As long as the T-loop is not too fast :^) I do this trick with diode laser where you modulate the diode current and the grating angle in phase. At sorta 1-10 Hz rates. If the thermal loop was too fast it would fight the current modulation.

George H.

Bill I'm not trying to "pile on", but I agree with Phil. You are getting much to cranky. (I mostly find myself just skipping over your replies.)

George h.

Our interaction does seem to have degenerated from the one to the other - a nd since I'm now complaining about it, I've managed to demonstrate the capa city to effect this discrimination in this particular case.

But you do want to have the last word, even when that last word hasn't got much to do with the subject under discussion.

I object to incorrect posts. The skewering is incidental.

Odd. Your posts are rarely incorrect, and if you make an error - as we all do from time to time - I remain well aware that you are one the most reliab le sources around here.

The proportion of political rubbish rose. You'll still find helpful and con structive posts from me, from time to time, but they represent a smaller pr oportion of my output. I worry more about anthropogenic global warming than I used to, and John Larkin reposts more denialist propaganda than he used to.

I'm not interested in looking like anything in particular - I'm not looking for potential customers any more, and I've never been someone to flatter p otential allies, no matter how much I admire their electronic skills.

Bill Sloman, Sydney

But if it were that fast, you could modulate the setpoint instead. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

Senility? Some of us "age" retaining our "think like an 18 year old" (but then I falls asleep ;-) minds" , others, like Slowman... ...Jim Thompson

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Most transistors, bipolar or fets, will melt solder before they fail. Mosfets go berzerk at a bit past 300C, basically turning on with no gate drive. They tend to fail hard a little past that.

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing laser drivers and controllers jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com

There's a strong tendency for all of us to turn into caricatures of ourselves as we age. Fighting it helps (hint, hint).

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

I don't take "bait" anymore, do I?

But Slowman's circuit comments are mostly just so f**king dumb... "emitter _pushing_", and edward.ming.lee's, "Growing wafers takes time and money".

Sheeeesh! How's an ol' fart to cope with such nonsense ?>:-} ...Jim Thompson

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Which is ironic, because flies are actually much more attracted to vinegar (it's a product of biological decomposition, after all). Our parents lied to us; and taking the analogy further: the effectiveness of trolls on the internet and elsewhere bears this out.

Tim

Seven Transistor Labs Electrical Engineering Consultation Website: http://seventransistorlabs.com

Yeah, that's good when you have more power to dissipate than the transistor can handle -- a load dump for example. You can about double the capacity for a given transistor, saving some bucks on heatsinking and all that.

Tim

Seven Transistor Labs Electrical Engineering Consultation Website: http://seventransistorlabs.com

I'll be interested to see your experimental results on YouTube. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

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why not a buck-converter away from the sensitive stuff and just the resistor inside the probe?

-Lasse

No need; others have reproduced it. :)

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As for the troll aspect, YouTube also provides proof in the famed quality of their comments. ;-)

Tim

Seven Transistor Labs Electrical Engineering Consultation Website: http://seventransistorlabs.com

Also, that was an interesting workaround. OE, in its infinite wisdom -- of course -- is not RFC compliant, so it happily stacks References in the header. Which you can't edit from within OE. So at just the right stage in this highly-stacked thread, it sends the massive line, and eternal-september in my case bounces it (441 error).

The workaround I saw was, save the original message, edit the plaintext in Notepad to remove extra references, then reply to that.

(If these replies end up in some bizarre place in your newsreader's threading, I guess you can actually blame it on me personally?)

In over a decade, this is the first time I've ever seen this happen. Weird.

Tim

Seven Transistor Labs Electrical Engineering Consultation Website: http://seventransistorlabs.com "Tim Williams" wrote in message news:mi8jtc$1h4$2@dont-email.me... > "Phil Hobbs" wrote in message > news:rKGdnYWVG8dgUtrInZ2dnUU7-N2dnZ2d@supernews.com... >>> >> I'll be interested to see your experimental results on YouTube. ;) > > No need; others have reproduced it. :) > https://youtu.be/1hb9HMhwvio?t=1m28s (or watch the whole thing) > > As for the troll aspect, YouTube also provides proof in the famed quality > of > their comments. ;-) > > Tim > > -- > Seven Transistor Labs > Electrical Engineering Consultation > Website: http://seventransistorlabs.com >

Yep. I just tried the scheme of taking a 2-liter soda bottle, cutting off the top, inverting it into the bottom (funnel-style) and filling it part way with vinegar and sugar mix... works fairly well.

The problem seems to be that the flies only come when we are on the patio, doing a steak :-(

Next trial... fill with Coke and some raw hamburger... I suspect that will be the ticket. ...Jim Thompson

| James E.Thompson | mens | | Analog Innovations | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | San Tan Valley, AZ 85142 Skype: skypeanalog | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"Jim Thompson" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

Perhaps a combination of CO2 and mixed partial combustion products (smoke, burnt flesh, caramelization products)?

It'll catch *something*, all right :-p

Tim

Seven Transistor Labs Electrical Engineering Consultation Website: http://seventransistorlabs.com

Exactly. I just don't get all of this wasted BW for something so simple..

Actually, you can build it in the head of the unit with a high enough switching freq to keep components small.

Jamie

Once you filter it, you're back to yhe quadratic case.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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