Fast monostable with a transistpor array

Jun 13, 2024 Last reply: 2 years ago 36 Replies

"john larkin" snipped-for-privacy@650pot.com wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

Ok well let's hope the likes of Musk doesn't need them.

The rest of us might need a part which, as far as I can tell, doesn't have any signs of pending obsolescence.

To that end I went hunting for models of the 55GN01FA and managed to find the file 55GN01FA.mps which contains the PS (P Spice?) parameter set. After downloading another file (image) to make sure I knew my Yottas from my yoctos I converted that file to a model which is accepted by LTSpice

Some model parameters were not accepted by LTSpice so they were removed. Namely LE LB LC Cbe Cbc Cce cc and Q1.AREA

The result was as follows.

The point of this is to test the 55GN01FA model. No-one is claiming that this is a monostable or that it is fast.

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910.0E-3\n+ RE = 510.0E-3 RC = 1.200 XTB = 0.000 EG = 1.110\n+ XTI = 3.000 CJE = 1.050E-12 VJE = 600.0E-3 MJE = 800.0E-3\n+ TF = 18.00E-12 XTF = 1.000 VTF = 1.000 ITF = 50.00E-3\n+ PTF = 0.000 CJC = 800.0E-15 VJC = 110.0E-3 MJC = 115.0E-3\n+ XCJC = 500.0E-3 TR = 1.000E-9 FC = 500.0E-3 TEXT -32 1128 Left 0 ;Q2's collector is loaded by C2,\nlimiting risetime. Q10 isolates\nQ1's collector, allowing that node\nto charge much more rapidly.\n \nQ10 doubles as a common-base\namplifier stage, further squaring up the\noutput from Q10's collector.\n \nThe new output is taken from\nQ10's collector.\n \nJames Arthur, 9-Jul-2008 TEXT 208 696 Left 0 ;This circuit was originally\ndesigned by Bill Sloman and\nJames Arthur in 2008.\n \nThis circuit uses the 55GN01FA\nUsing a model which was derived\nfrom information found online\nby Edward Rawde in June 2024\n \nOh and exactly why do I have\nto press Shift+Enter to write\nthis? Talk about frustration.\n \nMore importantly, there are\nno four way net crossovers\nwith a single blob (Q10 base)\n \nFrequency of oscillation appears\nto be 117 KHz. Slightly lower than\nthe BFR92A which is obsolete.

Combining schematics and documentation in the same document is sort of like a toothpaste and orange juice smoothie. I like orange juice, and toothpaste is useful. However...

Reminds me of IEC logic symbols. Another example of nuts.

The original simulation of the astable multivibrator was intended to demonstrate reasonable speed at low power.

The model was published by Intersil in 1996 in app note MM3046.

The simulation runs if properly typeset.

RL

Small rocks maybe.

We keep a separate design notes folder. It can say a lot more than could be hacked onto a schematic. I don't like a lot of comments on my schematics.

I often annotate schematics with things like nominal voltages, dashed rectangles to indicate circuit groups, and anything unusual that might be mistaken for an error, such as a BJT used upside-down.

Makes it easier for others to understand.

(We also keep notes, markups from bringup, and so on. )

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

"legg" snipped-for-privacy@nospam.magma.ca> wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

Actually it does, see below.

Yes. It's not hard to find the original posts online.

Thanks for pointing that out. You're absolutely right. Here is the corrected version. As usual, line breaks will need to be fixed.

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1.036E+02 ISE = 1.686E-19 NE = 1.400E+00\n+ IKF = 5.400E-02 XTB = 0.000E+00 BR = 1.000E+01 ISC=1.605E-14\n+ NC = 1.800E+00 IKR = 5.400E-02 RC = 1.140E+01 CJC = 3.980E-13\n+ MJC = 2.400E-01 VJC = 9.700E-01 FC = 5.000E-01 CJE = 2.400E-13\n+ MJE = 5.100E-01 VJE = 8.690E-01 TR = 4.000E-09 TF = 10.51E-12\n+ ITF = 3.500E-02 XTF = 2.300E+00 VTF = 3.500E+00 PTF = 0.000E+00\n+ XCJC = 9.000E-01 CJS = 1.150E-13 VJS = 7.500E-01 MJS = 0.000E+00\n+ RE = 1.848E+00 RB = 5.007E+01 RBM = 1.974E+00 KF = 0.000E+00\n+ AF = 1.000E+00) TEXT -32 1128 Left 0 ;Q2's collector is loaded by C2,\nlimiting risetime. Q10 isolates\nQ1's collector, allowing that node\nto charge much more rapidly.\n \nQ10 doubles as a common-base\namplifier stage, further squaring up the\noutput from Q10's collector.\n \nThe new output is taken from\nQ10's collector.\n \nJames Arthur, 9-Jul-2008 TEXT 128 680 Left 0 ;This circuit was originally\ndesigned by Bill Sloman and\nJames Arthur in 2008.\n \nThis version uses the 55GN01FA HFA3046/3096/3127/3128\nTransistor Array SPICE Models taken from\nRenesas Application Note MM3046\nRev.1.00\nFebruary 1994\nCopy/paste by Edward Rawde in June 2024.\nRemove spaces in exponents. E.g. BF = 1.036E+02\n \nFrequency of oscillation is 95 KHz

I've spent that last four days in hospital with Covid-19 of the colon - dramatic when it started but tedious thereafter.

This thread hasn't gone all that well. John Larkin has ignored the fact that I was talking about just the 3096. There have been some sensible comments, but I'm still too sick to try and provide any kind of summing up of the sensible bits.

OK, we can defer discussing your one-shot circuit until you feel better. I've had some medical adventures of my own.

My sympathies to both of you, coincidentally I am just getting back on my feet after an eight day common cold from hell (was not Covid)

I thought you'd gone a bit quiet. I hope you get fully recovered quickly.

It's been about two years since I had Covid. All I noticed was loss of sense of smell and a cold but different variants affect different people differently.

I'm now wearing a 24-hour recording EKG thing. It's really no trouble at all. Pretty cool technology.

It's a pity that there is no low-drama equivalent for blood pressure.

And they have been around for at least thirty years. My mother got stuck with being a guineau pig for one some thirty years ago.

You do have to compress the upper arm.

FYI if you want to avoid getting covid again, it appears to be pretty much exclusively airborne, so you probably won't get infected if you (and your family if any) wear a respirator that fits you well, every time you are indoors with people not from your household.

To know whether the respirator fits you, you can do a DIY fit-test with a handheld nebuliser from a pharmacy, which you put a strong-tasting solution such as 3M FT-32 which you can buy from RS components. You breathe in through your mouth with your tongue slightly out, whilst surrounding the outside of the respirator with the bitter fog, and if the resporator leaks, you will taste it. Generally you will need to wear one with headloops and not earloops in order to pass. A 3M Aura is a good one to try - most people can get it to pass the test.

I haven't been sick at all since 2019, unless you count hangovers or headaches from staying up too late. The main downside is that I can't eat inside restaurants, so I order take-away instead. That seems like a good deal to me, but others have different priorities from which I will not attempt to dissuade them at present.

A Buzz Lightyear sort of full biohazard suit would be safer.

The best way of not getting Covid is to get vaccinated against it, and I've done that in spades. Wearing a face mask cuts the odds even further.

I probably got infected at my brother's house, when I was having dinner there with his wife and a cousin from half-way across Australia. My grand-niece who showed up briefly during the evening was the most likely vector - she's certainly infected her grandmother in the last couple of years.

Getting paranoid about getting infected isn't a realistic option.

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This was my first dose of Covid. Because it got to my gut, it was fairly dramatic, and somewhat debilitating, but it looks as if I'm going to survive.

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