discharging caps

Sep 07, 2026 Last reply: 1 week ago 257 Replies

Not impossible. How about a two stage bleeder system? At say 50 volts a second relay de-energizes and the NC contacts throw a smaller resistor across the cap bank to finish it off?

Your source of power. NC relays failed with a spring closing a set of contacts closed. Power opens them up. This follows standard fail-safe practices where Everthing not working results in the safe state. Same for cabinet interlock switches and safety pull/emergency stop loops. Opening the circuits, even through broken cables or connectors failing will stop the process.

DC operated relays and contactors tend to magnetize and have all sorts of hystersis curves with when they mechanically turn on vs. off, so thinking you can just pick some resistors and get a relay to turn off at a specific voltage can be tricky. AC coils for contactors are lossier and won't tend to magnetize so even though you'd be working off the data sheet, it may be easier to control when a coil really drops out.

you just need some resistance so you don't weld your contacts. 200 volts with a 10 amp relay = 20 ohms, which is a 4 second time constant. 10 amps is pretty wimpy as far as relays go too.

the 4800 watt second systems don't seem to leave the wake of destruction and kill as many people as you'd expect. The shut down process is to fire off the strobes, but this seems to have changed in the classic Speedotrons made in Chicago vs. the designs they're using after they were bought.

200 volts is too low to just dump into a flash tube, but there are triggeable gas discharge tubes out there. The classic SCR crowbar would be fun too, with a current limiting resistor sizes so you don't exceed the ripple current rating of the capacitor. Power SCRs are cheap, can have high current ratings and are very reliable.

Camera strobes actually use a SCR and inductor crowbar (I think across the tube itself) to quench the arc in a flash tube to turn the power down. Low intensity flashes are actually just really short flashes of light. The capacitor is still always charged to the same voltage needed for a full power flash. You can hear the click of the current in the inductor in cheapo speedlights from the 70s and 80s marked "Thyristor".

I used to have a magneformer which ran at about 9kJ. It had sturdy energy dischage capacitors rated in the tens of thousands of amps, so it was fine to really just throw grounding wires across the terminals and switch when you were done. Rebound can be high on high voltage caps which is why they're always stored and shipped with a wire across the terminals.

Not really. John Larkin's only patent was taken out by a team that included him.

The industry has been using relay coils for quite a while now. You could probably find somebody who would know, if you search skills were a little better developed.

Not that he was best-pleased when I looked at it as critically damped LCR circuit.

The data sheet doesn't include any surge specification. There are maximum voltage limitations, but that sounds more like an anti-flash-over limit. Buying a part with specific short term dissipation limits might have made more sense.

But you haven't posted a link that would let us look at the data-sheet.

I plead the ignorance of youth.

Ask politely and I might.

Or learn how to google.

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That's what my depletion fet circuit does, with no switches and no logic and minimum failure modes.

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A circuit failure, namely fast-discharging when power is still on, could be ugly.

And my box gets DC power and I don't know when the external supply loses AC power. I mentioned that.

Slaming caps in parallel has interesting conservation issues.

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I didn't want that patent. The startup that I was working with, atom probe tomography, wanted a lot of patents for show. The patent was silly, a pretty obvious way to make imaging delay-line anodes.

Most patents are silly and expensive.

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Why bother?

"planar porcelain-steel thickfilm" isn't the kind of search string guaranteed to find the part you used. The issue here is your unwillingness to read data sheets and your incapacity to understand what they tell you.

Every time you go to the trouble of posting a link to a data sheet it seems to show up an example of your not reading it carefully.

Anybody with any sense would have learned to read their data sheets more carefully. You have learned not to post links to data sheets.

I'm inclined to agree. Patents do cost money to take out, and rarely recover enough in royalties to cover that cost, but it's like venture capitalism, in that the ones that do pay off can cover the cost of taking out a lot of duff patents.

The problem is that if you want to claim that you invent things you really need to be able to point to a patent that covers that invention.

There are clearly loads of things that are invented, but not patented, but there's a much bigger pool of stuff that it's inventors like to imagine to have been an invention which those skilled in the art write off as obvious.

You claim to have invented stuff and designed circuits, and Donald Trump claims to have a high IQ. Some people find those claims implausible.

Donald Trump may actually have a high IQ, but since he has the attention span of a flea, he can never absorb enough information about the subject he has to decide on for his "high" IQ have anything to work on.

VCs like to pump-and-dump, which is what happened with the atom probe thing. Part of the public pumping is to cite a lot of patents. The investment there is not science or electronics but just lawyers. One can patent any sort of nonsense these days.

I accept purchase orders too.

Always Trump. That's psychotic.

Always Trump. That's psychotic.

John Larkin Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center Lunatic Fringe Electronics

If you sell something as invention without having got a patent, that makes you a confidence trickster, but if you think that you could have got a patent it would be a hard case to prosecute. A patent search used to cost $100k.

On the contrary. Trump is a classic example of the twit who over-promises and under-delivers. Has he got peace with Iran yet?

Find a definition of "psychotic" that includes "referring to the most obvious example of the bad behavior in question".

Apparently he got what he wanted in Greenland.

Iran is riskier so may take a bit longer.

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“A wise Danish politician once said that you can achieve almost anything if you are willing to let others take the credit,” said Mr Dahl. “So let us give Donald Trump the credit for something very close to the status quo. From a Danish and Greenlandic perspective, it could hardly be much better.”

He's now got something which he says is what he wanted all along.

He didn't kill off any EU leaders during his "negotiations" with them. Iran may take a lot more sweet-talking and some much bigger bribes.

There is the point that while Saudi Arabian and Iranian crude isn't getting onto the world market, the more expensive oil that the US (amongst others) gets by fracking is now selling like hot cakes. Some people my be paying Donald Trump large bribes to drag out the peace-making process as long as possible. Except that Donald Trump would never take a bribe ...

On Fri, 18 Sep 2026 15:58:53 +1000, Bill Sloman snipped-for-privacy@ieee.org wrote: <snip>.

Easy for advertizing to add 'pulse' to literature. Pulse-rated requires a graph.

He could be refering to thick film porcelain-on-steel construction.

Welwyn - WBDR series.

SEI - SHP series.

IRC-TT - TFS types.

Some of these either predate the internet or are company-deleted.

An unfortunate acronym (POS).

RL

AoE X-chapters has a cool section on exploding resistors. With graphs.

WDBR2-12RKT

Like this.

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Welwyn also makes some nice gigohm resistors.

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No direct links, but these from my library:

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Right. He wrote a book about making deals.

John Larkin Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center Lunatic Fringe Electronics

He didn't. It was ghost-written for him.

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Tony Schwartz probably would be a better president of the US than Donald Trump. At least he has the attention span to write a book.

Trust John Larkin to post a link to an uninformative phootgraph.

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does spell out pulse ratings on page 3 under "pulse and overload performance".

John Larkin really does seem to evolve his designs - there would have been a rational reason to switch from the Ohmite to the Welwyn part, but John doesn't seem to be aware of it.

I used Welwyn resistors quite a lot for critical stuff when I worked in the UK. The firm had good reputation, and none of their parts blew up on me.

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Looks like a (the exact ?) photo from my junk box.

RL

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