Diplexer

The LTSpice sim below is a diplexer which presents a broadband 50-ohm termination to a diode ring mixer and provides a 1:4 impedance step-up to a

200 output load over > 2 MHz bandwidth centred around 30 MHz.

The problem is, for optimal input match, L2 needs to be ~6u8 which makes C2 ~3p6. Both unrealistic values. Try clicking on Vin, run the sim, then change L2 to 1u and run it again.

I found the optimal value of L2 by stepping the parameter. I would like to how how to calculate it. Also, is there any way to improve the performance with more realistic component values?

TIA

Version 4 SHEET 1 3612 1156 WIRE -528 128 -704 128 WIRE 112 128 -528 128 WIRE 304 128 112 128 WIRE -704 144 -704 128 WIRE -528 224 -528 128 WIRE 304 240 304 128 WIRE -976 256 -1056 256 WIRE -784 256 -896 256 WIRE -704 256 -704 224 WIRE -704 256 -784 256 WIRE -192 272 -400 272 WIRE 128 272 -112 272 WIRE -704 288 -704 256 WIRE -1056 336 -1056 256 WIRE -704 384 -704 368 WIRE -528 384 -528 288 WIRE -528 384 -704 384 WIRE -400 384 -400 272 WIRE -400 384 -528 384 WIRE -320 384 -400 384 WIRE -80 384 -240 384 WIRE 128 384 128 272 WIRE 128 384 -16 384 WIRE -1056 464 -1056 416 WIRE 128 464 128 384 WIRE 304 464 304 320 FLAG -1056 464 0 FLAG 128 464 0 FLAG 304 464 0 FLAG 112 128 Vout FLAG -784 256 Vin SYMBOL voltage -1056 320 R0 WINDOW 123 18 99 Left 0 WINDOW 39 0 0 Left 0 SYMATTR Value2 AC 2 SYMATTR InstName V1 SYMATTR Value "" SYMBOL res -880 240 R90 WINDOW 0 0 56 VBottom 0 WINDOW 3 32 56 VTop 0 SYMATTR InstName RS SYMATTR Value 50 SYMBOL res -208 288 R270 WINDOW 0 32 56 VTop 0 WINDOW 3 0 56 VBottom 0 SYMATTR InstName RD SYMATTR Value {1/(1/50-1/200)} SYMBOL ind2 -720 128 R0 SYMATTR InstName L1A SYMATTR Value 36n SYMATTR Type ind SYMBOL ind2 -720 272 R0 SYMATTR InstName L1B SYMATTR Value 36n SYMATTR Type ind SYMBOL cap -512 288 R180 WINDOW 0 24 64 Left 0 WINDOW 3 24 8 Left 0 SYMATTR InstName C1 SYMATTR Value 170p SYMBOL ind -336 400 R270 WINDOW 0 32 56 VTop 0 WINDOW 3 5 56 VBottom 0 WINDOW 39 -23 56 VBottom 0 SYMATTR InstName L2 SYMATTR Value {L2} SYMATTR SpiceLine Rser=2 SYMBOL cap -80 400 R270 WINDOW 0 32 32 VTop 0 WINDOW 3 0 32 VBottom 0 SYMATTR InstName C2 SYMATTR Value {1/2/2/PI/PI/F/F/L2} SYMBOL res 288 224 R0 SYMATTR InstName RL SYMATTR Value 200 TEXT -1024 144 Left 0 !.ac dec 1000 1e7 1e8 TEXT -712 424 Left 0 !K1 L1A L1B 1 TEXT -384 168 Left 0 !.param L2 6u86\n.param F {1/2/PI/sqrt(4*36e-9*170e-12)}

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Andrew Holme
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Hi TIA, Sorry, I don't have any answer to your question. I'm not sure this is what your looking for, but the bottom of this page has a diplexer that modeled very flat. Some say DC to Daylight.

50 ohm in and out.
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Maybe study up on cross-over networks? ...Jim Thompson

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[snip]

Do the output skirts, for some reason, have to be at 0dB? ...Jim Thompson

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I put the compensating impedance in series with the input...

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rather than in the ground leg of the transformer.

Derivation included. You'll see why I like the Heaviside version of Laplace so much.

Putting the compensation in the ground leg compounds the math, but I suspect I can do it if necessary ;-) ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 14:05:48 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Doesn't PSpice compute input and output impedances directly? See attached LTSpice circuit and plot files to see how I did it without having to draw the circuit in effect twice.

It's still in series with the input, whichever leg you put it in ;-)

Circuit File:

Version 4 SHEET 1 880 680 WIRE 448 -16 288 -16 WIRE 656 -16 448 -16 WIRE 288 16 288 -16 WIRE 448 64 448 -16 WIRE 656 64 656 -16 WIRE 48 112 32 112 WIRE 160 112 128 112 WIRE 240 112 224 112 WIRE 288 112 288 96 WIRE 288 112 240 112 WIRE 288 128 288 112 WIRE 32 144 32 112 WIRE 32 144 -288 144 WIRE -288 176 -288 144 WIRE 32 176 32 144 WIRE 112 176 32 176 WIRE 240 176 240 112 WIRE 240 176 192 176 WIRE 288 240 288 208 WIRE 448 240 448 128 WIRE 448 240 288 240 WIRE 656 240 656 144 WIRE 656 240 448 240 WIRE 448 272 448 240 FLAG -288 256 0 FLAG 656 -16 out IOPIN 656 -16 Out FLAG -288 144 In IOPIN -288 144 In FLAG 448 272 0 SYMBOL ind2 272 0 R0 SYMATTR InstName L1 SYMATTR Value 36n SYMATTR Type ind SYMBOL ind2 272 112 R0 SYMATTR InstName L2 SYMATTR Value 36n SYMATTR Type ind SYMBOL cap 432 64 R0 SYMATTR InstName C1 SYMATTR Value 170p SYMBOL res 640 48 R0 SYMATTR InstName R1 SYMATTR Value 200 SYMBOL ind 144 96 R90 WINDOW 0 5 56 VBottom 0 WINDOW 3 32 56 VTop 0 SYMATTR InstName L5 SYMATTR Value 1.7u SYMBOL cap 224 96 R90 WINDOW 0 0 32 VBottom 0 WINDOW 3 32 32 VTop 0 SYMATTR InstName C3 SYMATTR Value 14.4p SYMBOL res 208 160 R90 WINDOW 0 0 56 VBottom 0 WINDOW 3 32 56 VTop 0 SYMATTR InstName R3 SYMATTR Value 50 SYMBOL voltage -288 160 R0 WINDOW 123 24 116 Left 0 WINDOW 39 24 128 Left 0 SYMATTR InstName V1 SYMATTR Value "" SYMATTR Value2 AC 1 SYMATTR SpiceLine Rser=50 TEXT -240 -144 Left 0 !.ac dec 100 1meg 1g TEXT -240 -120 Left 0 !.net I(R1) V1 TEXT 192 0 Left 0 !K1 L1 L2 1

Plot settings file:

[AC Analysis] { Npanes: 3 Active Pane: 2 { traces: 1 {524290,0,"V(out)"} X: ('G',0,1e+006,0,1e+009) Y[0]: (' ',0,0.00316227766016838,5,1) Y[1]: (' ',0,-100,20,100) Log: 1 2 0 GridStyle: 1 PltMag: 1 PltPhi: 1 0 }, { traces: 1 {8388612,0,"Zout(v1)"} X: ('G',0,1e+006,0,1e+009) Y[0]: (' ',0,0,20,240) Y[1]: (' ',0,-180,30,180) Log: 1 0 0 GridStyle: 1 PltReal: 1 PltImag: 1 Representation: 2 }, { traces: 1 {8388611,0,"Zin(v1)"} X: ('G',0,1e+006,0,1e+009) Y[0]: (' ',4,49.9997,0.0001,50.0011) Y[1]: ('u',0,-0.0007,0.0001,0.0007) Log: 1 0 0 GridStyle: 1 PltReal: 1 PltImag: 1 Representation: 2 } }

Load the circuit, run the .ac analysis, switch to plot pane, and do: "Open plot settings file"

You should get Zin, Zout, Vout plotted.

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Fred Abse

I suppose I could have done a .STEP, but impedance is current drive, gain is voltage drive. Copy and paste is trivial in PSpice.

Neeeerp! Not as OP Holme drew it.

...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

LTSpice does both gain and impedance with voltage drive. See ".NET" directive, also /examples/Educational/S-param.asc

It does make a difference. Using the same (your) values in both, yours has broader skirts, and a double humped output impedance. OP's is narrower, but has a flat topped output impedance.

Using OP's values, the double hump appears.

Remember those tiresome selectivity curves we used to use (Terman et al)? Someone must have sweated blood plotting those.

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Fred Abse

Back in the early '80's I laboriously calculated cascaded active filters to have flat tops... remember acoustic modems ?:-) ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

My input impedance is flat "DC-to-light" :-)

OP's skirts rolled only to 0dB, mine continues rolling.

...Jim Thompson

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