battery problems (2023 Update)

The industry typically uses MW to specify generating station capacity. For instance, Burns & McDonnell specify the output of the Rocky Mountain Cabin Creek pumped storage hydroelectric plant as 300-MW:

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Danke,

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Don
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The state of the art is this:

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There's no reason it can't be scaled up for the 3MW jobs.

Bunch of demo videos showing how fast it works.

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Fred Bloggs

Good for garages.

No need to save burning batteries. Just let them burn out. Perhaps using smaller containers and space them out apart. There are plenty of spaces around the power plant.

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Ed Lee

I guess local fire departments would have to haul around tanker trainers of this stuff.

Battery packs could be designed with space between the cells to let this stuff in. Makes them bigger.

Lithium battery fires in garages are at the very least bad press for electric cars.

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Phil Hobbs

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Phil Hobbs

The most recent was just two years ago, Beirut 2700 tonnes.

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Jasen Betts

When you are right, you are absolutely right. Stuffing such highly combustible reactants so close together is so dangerous. Gasoline and oxygen should be kept at least 6 feet apart in all vehicles. If they did that this would not happen.

1,400 cars in one fell swoop!
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Hundreds of cars destroyed, parts of the parking deck collapsed and even airline flights were delayed!
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It would be hard for any other energy means to rival the destructive power of gasoline. Isn't that the basis of the most massive conventional ordinances?

Yeah, no point in crying over spilt milk. You've already bought your ICE bomb.

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Rick C

Trouble with the Leaf battery is the lack of temperature control so they wear out more quickly than they should. But if you only have 50 mile range, you won't notice so much when it drops to only 40.

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Rick C

The cited article says: "When applied directly to the cells of a battery in a thermal event AVD quickly extinguishes the flames" When you have a battery pack on fire you will not have access to the cells that are on fire being surrounded by other cells, so AVD will have no chance of extinguishing the fire.

A little understood fact about lithium fires is that the temperature at which the separator melts is relatively low (95-110C). Once the separator melts the cell shorts and starts another fire. This results in thermal runaway. The only hope is pouring so much water on the fire that the temperature of the pack is kept below this melting temperature. Electric car fires have been put out only to start again a short time later once the fire fighting (water pouring) stops.

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Flyguy

My grandma lost a couple siblings in the Halifax explosion. The French ship SS Mont-Blanc was loaded with explosives being shipped to Europe from NY.

It collided with a Belgian relief ship and caught fire- the French crew knew what was on board- they abandoned ship and made for Dartmouth in their lifeboats as fast as they could (and mostly didn't perish).

Meanwhile a crowd of curious on-lookers gathered near the harbour and on nearby streets to watch the burning ships... a couple thousand people died.

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Spehro Pefhany

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