An interesting view on how 'green' CFLs really are:

Neat. Looks like a fun project.

John

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It's amazing how few people appreciate this. It doesn't matter if we reduce our per-capita pollution by 10 times, reduce out resource consumption by a factor of 10 and travel 1/10 as much, wait for a bit more exponential population growth and we'll be back exactly where we started. If the population could gently decline to half what it is now, (without anyone needing to die of unnatural causes!) then everyone could have the same amount of stuff each that we all have now and practically solve most environmental and resource problems, (or we could each have twice as much stuff with the same problems we have now.) At some point, each generation will have to be no more populous than the previous one, one way or another.

Chris

Until somebody comes up with a way to make the process of dying more pleasurable than the process of conception, we will continue to have a problem.

Jim

-- "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." --Aristotle

At some point, each generation will have to be no more populous

Ah, hence the motivation for the bit about the 72 virgins in heaven, eh?

:-)

(And before anyone flames me, yes, I know, the Koran doesn't explicitly say, "all shall receive 72 virgins!," it's more about metaphors/interpretations/translations/etc.)

This is an interesting article:

---Joel

Jan Panteltje ha scritto:

In this days i am writing an article about CFL and Leds. I will post the link, just finished

These are the last related articles

any comments?

Emanuele

On a sunny day (Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:38:57 -0700) it happened "Joel Koltner" wrote in :

Nice article, I also have an old CFL that has a chip in it, plus 2 transistors. The chip had exploded.

On a sunny day (Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:36:37 +0200) it happened Emanuele wrote in :

Very nice site :-)

"RST Engineering \\(jw\\)" wrote in news:or- dncw9qM1LLBLVnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@supernews.com:

The problem isn't sex, it's attitudes regarding the "immorality" of separating sex from reporduction.

snipped-for-privacy@googlemail.com wrote in news:602378c5-6588-423f-aa40- snipped-for-privacy@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com:

True, but that's probably the fastest way to get some people to talk abotu shooting you - many people believe they have not only a right, but a duty, to produce as many offspring as they possibly can, even when those offspring must be supported by others to survive.

Also, from all I've read and heard, there is a US policy of not exporting birth control to the poor in various nations, a policy which is not based upon the would-be recipients own needs, desires, or choice, but rather, upon the personal beliefs regarding morality of people here.

It's one of those thing that seems obvious, but runs head-on into very deeply-held beliffs which oppose voluntary population reduction - curiously, a great people seem to oppose birth control *far* more bitterly than they oppose war...

Emanuele wrote in news:g6p5m7$1q8f$1 @newsreader2.mclink.it:

Nice reading. There is also an LED product, the links to which I'd lost : ( , which is a fiber, similar to an optical fiber but more flexible, which emits light (from a source) not just at the tip, but rather, all along its length. There ewere some examples I saw where it was iused in place of neon, because they use LEDs as the source light. Some of the photos showed uses that were definitely kitschy, but fun ;) I liked that product a lot, but forgot what it's called and haven't been able to find it.

Dunno but you might be interested in adding it as a possible neon alternative...?

It's promulgated by the Catholics. Don't blame the U.S.

...Jim Thompson

Over the years I have seen a bunch of news stories about attempts to provide birth control pills in poor African nations. They provided the pills and classes on how to use them, then ome back to find they weren't taken properly, or the women made jewlery out of them. It's just like drilling wells and providing modern farming tools. They tach them how to farm, then the next year they just eat the seed corn and let the tools rust away. Some people don't want a better life, if it means they have to do anything for themselves. that is why thye live like they do. It's the same, all over the world. If those people were in the US, they would be trailer trash. If they wanted a better life, they would move to a town where they could find work, better food, and a better life. You just can't help spme people.

On a more uplifting note, have a look at the accomplishments of Muhammad Yunus with the Grameen bank (microfinance).

Some of these people only needed a few Euros/dollars to get going.

Too much birth control and it becomes difficult to make war profits. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

And the pension systems needs more births. Pyramid sellers

martin

That's another problem. Cut back too quickly and there won't be enough to pay the bills and generally keep the economy going.

Also some countries have quite young populations and the population will continue to increase for some time even if couples only produce replacement quantities of rugrats, because the couples having children now (say 25 years old) will live for another 50 years, and their children for another 75 or 80. And their children's children will be around for the last 25 years of *their* lives. So until the median age increases to 1/2 lifetime (which in turn is increasing almost everywhere, particularly in the 3rd world), things are not stable even with replacement-only reproduction. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in news:vq6dnfJPk7-8Xg3VnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.com:

I haven't read that this happens after the proper useage of the thigns has been explained. One forblem with condomns BTW is cultural - although, in some cultures, a woman's desire to have fewer children and/or space them out better is considered to be irrelevant, and/o the use of a condomn is seen as "unmanly". It's how they were brought up, and it's nto some simple matter to get around cultural beliefs.

I think that's both incredibly harsh, and at best inaccurate. Yes, "some" people choose to live in ways that are self-destructive. But you're treading perilously close to implying that anyone who, for example, lives way out in the countryside of a poor nation, who has never had access to an education, and leads a hand-to-mouth existence, is only that way by choice. Not everyone has access to the things that would even make them aware they might have achoice, never mind to the things that woudl allow them to actualy implement a choice to change their situation.

It's also inflammatory, and not relevent, to claim that someone would be "trailer trash" if they lived in the US, becasue: (1) unless you know specific cases, it's an unproveable accusation; and (2) it ignores the cultural, environmental, political, and material realities that exist in other parts of the world - not everyone can simply move to a town, and a great many towns/cities are worse tahn the villages becasue of extremely high unemployment, poverty that can't even be relieved by planting soemthign, due to there being no land, and an overall dismal quality of life.

If you want to question whether any nation has an obligation to support people in anotehr nation, then address *that* question, but don't justify an unwillingness to help/educate/etc. by merely implying that people choose to live in countries such as Burma, where the military dictatorship takes pretty much everything away from them, or in countries where roving armed bands randomly commit acts of robber and genocide, and so on, and so forth.

At the same time, it's well-known that brain development suffers when a child doesn't receive (or can't be given) adequate nutrition. When this is combined with lack of education, and/or a damaging upbringing, it can make "choice" *extremely* difficult. Now, I am a big beleiver in choice, because of my own life, but I also know that there are a lot fo circumstances taht make chocie difficult. And in the case of, say, the people victimized by situations such as that in Darfur, the only "choice" is to stay, of walk across the desert - they cannot "choose" to not be poor.

As for education, anyone involved in education must take into account the previous experience, education level, nutritional situation, culture, and other aspects of the lives of the poeple being educated. One can't just go in to some traditional village, give a short talk, and claim to have "educated" the people - even under teh best circumstances, education is a

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Nonsense.

Yawn. Some tribes have repeatedly refused to leave their land because of tradition. Year after year of drought, they are sent food, clothes and other things, and do absolutely nothing to improve their lives, because they are being given what they need to live. Why do you think it was so easy a couple hundred years ago for the british ships to trade for a shipload of slaves? Some of the tribes lived by stealing everything they could from others, instead of working. Before those ships arrived, they caught and killed as many as they could, except for a few slaves they kept. When the Europeans arrived with a shipload of cargo, looking for trade they held them for the ships that followed. They also captured and sold members of other tribes they didn't like. Some tribes had a strong work ethic, and some didn't. They got tired of having what they were working for being stolen at every turn.

I don't care if you believe it or not, but it is the way some people are, no matter where they come from.