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That's the whole point, Ludwig, that I'm trying to get the disgusting moral dwarf Arny Krueger to provide proof of the malicious lies he told. That scumball Krueger has been offered four days of opportunities now to provide proof of his allegations or to apologize. He has done neither. We can only conclude that Krueger is as much a criminal slanderer and a thief of reputations (a bringer of false witness, and Arny a bible basher yet) as you are, Ludwig; well, we don't need to conclude that, we knew that much already for a fact. We'll get to your non-specific, slanderous lies when I finish Krueger. It seems to me significant that Krueger's only defenders are gloating scum like you and Poopie.

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Arny "I spoke in error" Krueger once more spoke in error:

Yo, Krueger, you're a liar.

Show one instance where I "proclaimed" or even suggested a capacitor upgrade. If you can't, you're a liar.

Show one instance where I "proclaimed" or even suggested a "gratuitous"

capacitor alteration of any kind. If you can't, you're a liar.

You're such a disgusting little man, Arny Krueger, in every sense of the word, that your lies hardly adds to the contempt in which we already hold you.

Andre Jute Our legislators managed to criminalize fox-hunting and smoking; when they will get off their collective fat arse and criminalize negative feedback? It is clearly consumed only by undesirables.

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Andrew Jute McCoy bleats about proof:

So, you silly little windbag, show us some actual proof of any single one of your many claims.

Proof equals facts from an independent source than any given disinterested third party would accept without question.

Bret "stole" from you. That should be incredibly easy to prove as required above. Of course, if you cannot prove it, you reveal yourself to be the simpleton bald jackass that the rest of the world sees immediately.

Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA

Case in point this silly accusation that the Jute sockpuppet has made about capacitor dielectrics and a comment that I made. Jute shamelessly misinteprets what I said, again again. There's no point in refuting the Jute sockpuppet, because he's a self-energizing source of errors that is isolated from the real world.

Arny Krueger, adds insult to the injury of the false witness he has already brought:

"Case in point this silly accusation that the Jute sockpuppet has made about capacitor dielectrics and a comment that I made. Jute shamelessly misinteprets what I said, again again. There's no point in refuting the Jute sockpuppet, because he's a self-energizing source of errors that is isolated from the real world."

Crap, you hypocritical, lying little bible basher; those are merely more lies and abuse. You made a specific statement of fact about me, you named me, you made a conclusion from your lie and my name. Now you're trying to lie your way out being challenged to provide proof of your specific statements. When it comes to mano a mano, Krueger, you're a coward and a chiseler, not a man at all, just an old woman trying to slide away behind the support of worthless scum like Worthless Wiecky and the thief Bret Ludwig. Here are your specific statements:

****** Arny "I spoke in error" Krueger once more spoke in error:

Yo, Krueger, you're a liar.

Show one instance where I "proclaimed" or even suggested a capacitor upgrade. If you can't, you're a liar.

Show one instance where I "proclaimed" or even suggested a "gratuitous"

capacitor alteration of any kind. If you can't, you're a liar.

You're such a disgusting little man, Arny Krueger, in every sense of the word, that your lies hardly adds to the contempt in which we already hold you.

Andre Jute

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Proof or apology, Krueger, you lying little hypocritical bible basher. One or the other. You can't slither away. Where I come from we step on snakes like you.

Unsigned out of contempt for a slimy little man who doesn't have the decency to apologize when he is caught out in another of his malicious lies

Er....is Arny really worth this level of passion? I've never found him so.

You have obviously never read any of his posts then.

Phildo

I read the non-technical ones, a few of which have been attacks on me. I still don't think he's worth all that huffing and puffing.

Phildo clearly has a 'thing' for Arny.

I've asked him to leave off it regularly but he feels Arny hasn't "leanrt his lesson" yet, so won't let an opportuniy pass to have a go at him.

In that respect he reminds of a less interesting version of the Middiot.

Graham

I have no anti-Behringer grudge.

You're being entirely disingenuous to suggest so. I've recommended Behringer in the past and I shall continue to do so where their products fit the bill.

Nor have I back-pedalled over anything.

Graham

From the above link.......

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Proof QSC is using single sided phenolic paper PCBs.

Phildo "

The poster 'Phildo' a sound mixing engineer who mixes sound on cruise liners and posts in alt.audio.pro.live-sound is apparently under the impression that one of the products above contains phenolic-paper pcbs.

Apparently my word that it's not isn't good enough for him.

Comments welcome.

Graham

Eeyore wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com:

I've seen stuff like that, it seems to be made the same way, by a resin and fibrous material rather than a woven cloth. It's still an epoxy resin though, the stuff I saw was more like a ceramic for hardness than SRBP could ever be. It even chipped like a ceramic at the edges. I don't know what it is, exactly, but it seems to be a way to use the SRBP-type process with materials that are as tough as glass fibre/epoxy boards when the board is finished. I think they're as hard, but more brittle.

I've known it as 'composite' material. I first used it in 1980. You can get it in white as well as blue. You might be surpised just how flexible it is actually. Phenolic's much more brittle.

Subsequently I've discovered it's called CEM1.

Your assessment's correct too. That is indeed how it's used. It even may be punchable. However this guy Phildo has got it into his head that it's phenolic.

Graham

I think he's a twat and shouldn't be trying to give out advice on topics he knows nothing about.

Yeah, right, that's why I've had him killfiled for so long.

I would advice anyone to go take a look at alt.audio.pro.live-sound to see why Graham is so pissed with me. Basically he made a complete tit of himself over his anti-behringer grudge, threatened to get his lawyers involved, got totally laughed at then back-pedalled furiously with lots of excuses. He's regarded in much the same way as Arny is over there now.

Phildo

Read em and weep.

Phildo

That may not be entirely accurate:

martin

The usual Yank revisionism. Or is it simply bad education ?

The USAAF wasn't significantly involved in any defensive operations.

The RAF had defeated the Luftwaffe's attempt to gain air superiority over Britain about 18 months before USAAF aircraft even arrived in the UK. Even if they'd failed, an attempt at an invasion would never have got past the Royal Navy.

Even with US aircraft to help bomb targets in occupied Europe, the RAF's bomber command vastly exceeded the tonnage of bombs dropped by American crews.

Graham

At least here on our side of the pond, you can get board substrates manufactured in whatever color you wish.

The final appearance of color is a combination of...

1) The original substrate color of the board. 2) Presence (or not) of copper circuit paths/areas. 3) The color of the solder mask 4) The transparency of the solder mask

From your stated electronics experience, I would have thought that you had encountered these varistions.

The "grain" looks way too big and to uniform to be woven fiberglass. At least from my experience in the fiberglass industry. But it is possible that it could be some kind of fiberglass "gauze" like material for just a bit of mechanical strength. Certainly better than pure phenol-paper.

But nothing like the stresses of big heavy industrial equipment like commercial sound reinforcement amplifiers.

Only with epoxy glass laminate AFAIK.

Often almost clear but usually with a very slight yellowish-green tinge, not to be confused with those that are indeed entirely green from the start.

I certainly have. I've had boards made in green, red and blue. But paper-phenolic or SRBP ( synthetic resin bonded paper ) is always totally opaque and brown IME.

In comparison the 'composite materials' - like CEM are also opaque but blue or white IME.

That's what it is used for !

Definitely.

I would never personall used SRBP in those applications.

I'll see what I've got kicking around and maybe post some examples in abse.

Graham

I've seen paper-phenolic boards in bright red and bright blue (almost like the QSC photos). As you say, it may have been some kind of resin other than phenol that could be colored more easily.