2008 lost LED mons while rained

In Dec 2008 I lost two LED monitors in one week. There was light rain in both cases but nothing got wet. I mentioned this to other people said this happened elsewhere. Two insisted it happened to them, and others were hearsay. The same week!!??

I would appreciate a rational explanation

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The rain shorted out the insulators on the power lines. The circuit breaker tried to find an alternate route for your power and produced a glitch or spike. A surge protector might have helped, but if the energy in the spike was more than the MOV could bypass, your power supply probably took the hit.

What's an LED monitor? Is that an LCD monitor with LED backlighting or did you mean an LCD monitor?

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If you bought them at the same time and they saw similar use it could be they reached the end of their service life.

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Jeroni Paul

You mean the warranty timer? Set to go off 13 months from purchase :-)

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Leif Neland

or did you mean an LCD monitor?"

Yes, that is what the civilians call them. In fact that's what it says on t he box usually.

That could be alot closer to the truth than most people realize. When you b uy the components in very large quantities and they are all exactly the sam e it makes it almost possible to get it down to a couple of months, semi-re liably. In fact that brings up a topic I am going to start in SED about jus t that. I'm glad this took that direction which remonded me of it. Collegue s in the repair field don't see it but I have pretty good evidence that the re is a planned failure of software due to ESR in a certain filter.......

However I do not believe that is the case here. I believe it was luck of th e draw actually, even if the actual fault turns out to be the same in each unit. the OP did not specify if they were the exact same model.

Even if the humidity got to ridiculous levels I am still going with luck of the draw because in an LED backlit set there is only a couple hundred volt s across each string. In a CCFL backlit set, of a certain model I could go with environmental factors. IIRC there were some Emerson (et alii) models t hat had problems with part(s) of the backlight array shorting out, which ma de the inverters look bad. The design was such that you could not disconnec t each lamp separately so it wasn't hard to get a bit tripped up. Gawd i am sick of brownwares but after my recent experience with that Tektronix....L OL

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One was on a Compaq Aero 4/24 I got used. THe aero was the best laptop I ever used. Ev'tho only DOS, but it was perfect for most things.

THe other a year old siemens monitor. I'm thinking geomagnetic storm because they both used transformed DC power. Remember it was only drizzling and it was four days apart.

Now the two 2002 modem incidents made more semce. There was lightning. In fact in the second case we had a microburst tornado that took off a few roofs and a fence on my block. I put a surge protector on th eentire phone line after that.

If one says once burned, twice shy, what do you say for twice burned? I avoid using any plugged-in computer of my own when it rains as a result.

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I would be interested in your findings of evidence that there is a planned failure of software due to ESR

I am currently reviving LCD Tv's from a recycling company I work for

It is a shame that these tv's are from 2007-2010 and they died already.

I recently joined a good forum for repairs it is

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Bad caps dot net has many people helping other people repair electronics it helped me a lot

Most of the tv's and monitors I see have blown apart caps and I think it is not by chance that they pop

Sorry if my message is not in correct newsgroup format Have been on usenet over 20 years reading but seldom post

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randyp

planned failure of software due to ESR "

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Consider what happens when the ESR of C9015 drops. It looks like it is desi gned purposely to cause the voltage supply to come out of regulation somewh at at random. You know what happens to certain types of digital circuits wh en that happens.

I could understand some form of failsafe because as the ESR or C9015 rises the SMPS will tend to put out more voltage to compensate and keep the volta ge at C9016 constant because that is where it's sensed. If you repaired Pan asonic VCRs in the past you know what can happen, all the other voltages ri se, and I fully understand that this is undesirable.

If the real goal was to keep the PS from running too high there are many si mpler and more effective ways.

This is obviously not for stability, that's what C9084 and R9014 are for. N ote that C9087 is a fairly high value. Playing with the cicuit mentally, li ke putting a resistor in series with C9015, it looks a bit like an oscillat or. Without any DC coupling via the path made by C9087 it would do nothing to actually lower the output of the SMPS, simply make it fluctuate.

The unit that circuit is in is plagued by software problems requiring softw are "updates" from the manufacturer. The symptoms would vary quite widely f or the obvious reason. When I did the software "updates" I changed C9015.

What else would corrupt the data, so CONSISTENTLY, in one certain series of units ? It may have been better software, possibly with better error corre ction, but that does not explain C9087 and R9088.

Knowing capacitors, what happens ? There is a power outage or the unit gets moved and then it does not work. People might think they broke it in movin g and buy another one.

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