new members coming in AT91 family

Yes, interesting family. Atmel are rather late to the party in single-chip ARM uC, but their AT91SAM7S32 is the smallest ARM I have seen - Philips already do 128KF/16KR-64KR, ARM-TQFP48 devices, but at 32KF/8KR, the Atmel price should push into 8 bit territory. -jg

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yes but I ask for cotation for Philips part 2 month ago for my society (to Philips distributors in France), and I still didn't receive any reply.. just two phone call for asking more info and telling me I gonna have an answer soon and since no news.. so if I had to ask many times and wait several month only to have a cotation, I don't see how I can work with Philips part..

as that's only for new designs for the end of this year, I think I will wait for the Atmel SAM7S family.

Philips distributors in

soon and since no

I don't see how I can

for the Atmel SAM7S

Depends on the variant - plus all new silicon needs caution in new designs.

I have an Atmel AT89S8253 data sheet dated July 2003, but still cannot get prices...

These Philips variants show ExSTOCK at Marshalls, and 6 week general leadtimes : LPC2104BBD48-S 128K FL/16K RAM/2 UART/I2C/SPI MOQ 250 @ $4.9558 LPC2105BBD48-S 128K FL/32K RAM/2 UART/I2C/SPI MOQ 250 @ $5.7779 LPC2106BBD48-S 128K FL/64K RAM/2 UART/I2C/SPI MOQ 250 @ $7.7000 Some LPC22xx variants show 16 week leadtimes, no stock.

If they play on the same price curve, the 32KF/8KR Atmel device should be interesting.

-jg

Thanks.. I manage to find prices on different websites (outside France), but I just was thinking that the official French distributors pointed on Philips website will give me an answer.. I have such strange ideas sometimes. ;-)

Before you go with your local Philips distributor you think again... I'll say that Philips just have very twisted marketing team somewhere in the netherlands. In the age of Internet these guys are trying to keep different price levels at different regions which are sometimes with x2 and more price difference. We bought our first 50 pcs (quote was flat 50-250 pcs) LPC2106 at EUR

12.50/$15.50 and first quote was even EUR 14.00/ea though Silica which appears to be the only Philips distributor for our region, then we saw that some components web stores in Russia have retail price of $13 for the same chips in 1 off quantities. brief search on showed $9.95 stock in Future Active where we bough the next few 250 pcs lots from. Then Silica sales manager warned us that since we don't buy the uC from them ("the official distributor") we would not get any support nor samples on Philips new products. In matter of fact we had problem with our first lot of uC which latched up in some power up conditions. I posted question on Philips web technical form about the problem - but never got any reply, fortunately there is LPC2000 Yahoo group which is quite active and with lot of very responsive and friendly peoples where you can get really good advises. As we do PCB assembly too I was very puzzled to see the price on LPC2106 in the bill of materials on recent customer of ours - they buy at $5.00!

It's shame that Philips doens't provide adeqate support and Philips marketing practices are abusing their customers, as LPC2xxx are really easy to use and nice parts.

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Philips is not the only maker of such devices. You can get OKI ARM CPUs for under $10 in 10's or 100's. I believe the Analog Devices parts are priced right as well.

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How exactly do you imagine they do that ? Distis set their own low volume prices, not the IC vendor

What you are seeing is not some conspiracy by Philips, but an artifact of Disti pricing. It is common for some Distis to set a promotional price for new devices, to encourage design wins - and a simple way to do this, is to sell low volumes at the 5-10K price point. Other distis follow the Farnell/Digikey price models, and price low volumes according to handling costs. Perhaps it needs a better model, of a unit price, plus separate invoice/packing/tracking handling charge

What is good, is the trend by many of the bigger players, to put price-guides on their web sites. Natsemi, Fairchild, Philips, TI, Analog Devices are all now doing this. TI even include a production schedule, which is impressive info indeed ( and I like the way they demure to simply "> 10K", so the competition do not get too much free information :)

-jg

OKI seems to be completely out of this business, I asked samples through our local OKI distributor as they appear as alternative to LPCs but didn't hear back nothing for more than four months, so I believe these guys just don't have any stock or don't care for small customers. Where did you buy yours OKI ARMs?

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Hi All,

Just FYI, ATMEL has updated the Flyer

The new members of the AT91SAM7Sxx will have a 256KF/64KR, a 128KF/32KR + EMAC. An ATMEL's guy, told me that they will add also a

256KF/64KR version with external bus interface like the AT91R40008.

I heard that the AT91SAM7S64 will be priced 3.5 USD, so I let you imagine the price of the SAM7S32...

I also heard that ATMEL plans to provide low cost tools, like 50 USD for the ICE interface (not the wiggler of course !!) and with good price for compiler. AT91SAM7S64 board @ less than 100 USD. a lot of fun !!

What will be the perfect development package for such a micros according to you ? Hope that ATMEL will follow this discussion !!

64KR is nice, looks like they looked at a Philips data sheet...

...and the leadtimes have slipped, and the MHz has nudged up... If they are still fiddling columns in a flyer, sounds like usable silicon is some ways off....

Q: will it stay at 55MHz or is that the same marketing MHz of late-AVRs ?

Good price. SAM7S32 ? Less pins, and less Flash/Ram, -- suggests sub $3 ?

Nice to see Atmel finally join the monolithic FLASH ARM community - what took them so long ? :)

-jg

Perhaps a reluctance to cannibalize their own AtMega sales??

One of the cited feature I like a lot about the new Atmel ARMs is the inclusion of the DMA-type peripheral data controllers. I see that the LPC210X controllers have '654 type UARTS with FIFOS, but the PDCs are even more flexible IMHO. The LP2106 dev kit is on the shelf in front of me awaiting a quiet week this summer (OTOH, 'quiet week' means no income for the self-employed). With a little luck, there'll be a quiet week this fall for the next ATMEL ARM kit. An embarassment of riches, perhaps, but I see

2-year-old applications shrinking 50% in size, cost, and power. Now if only I can find the right customer!

Mark Borgerson

yes, those SAM7S members seems really interesting.. :-)

"Satisfacti> > > > hello, just found this info about new family members in the Atmel

ARM7

In addition to Philips and Atmel, a newcomer to the ARM7 general purpose microcontroller is ST. (Don't know if it has been mentioned yet in this thread.)

Atmel has had ARM+Flash for a long, long time. Just not available to You guys... The Sony Playstation-1 remote control contained an Atmel ARM7+Flash+EEPROM. Anyone out there still remembering the PS-1?

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Has anyone gotten any pricing or details yet? I can only find two documents, a flyer and a summary sheet. I can't get pricing anywhere and I have no idea where anyone would find info on the development tools.

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an earlier poster mentioned $3.50 for 64K, 'unspecified volumes' Given the recent changes to the specs columns and the Q4 tags, I'd call this device family a candidate for 2005 design-in.

-jg

That's should the price.

On the AT91 Forum

it is said that the AT91SAM7S Summary datasheet will be released middle of June If I well remember. For peoples interested, the best is to register to the AT91 Forum and its news letter and wait for the News to come into your mail box ;-)).

prices are not yet available from distirbutors, I had this price during an embedded Show. For the tools that's the same, no real news, but that will be soon I guess !!!

Bye

Jim,

to answer one of your previous question,

Q: will it stay at 55MHz or is that the same marketing MHz of late-AVRs ?

A: none. The Frequency given is @ 85°C, this means that at lower temp you can run faster. For example, with the AT91R40008 @ the worst case T°, it is 66MHz, but at @ 25°C you can boost this part @ 82MHz, with

256K of 32-bit 0 WS internal SRAM, this chip is flying !!!

Regards,

Err - I was asking about the New FLASH SAM series, you seem to have quoted for an existing, but SRAM based device ? Do you have numbers for a real, production, SAM device, at 85'C, running from the on-chip FLASH memory ? The few RAM based AVRs Atmel make, can also 'go faster', but their problem has been getting the FLASH to keep up with the core, and recently had to down-spec from 24MHz to 20MHz on FLASH devices.

-jg