Re: Mechanism behind trumpet playing robot?

I can't keep them all straight. A clarinet is what most folks call a trumpet, a trumpet looks identical except for one or two bigger loops. A clarion is something I haven't encountered - except it is another name for a medieval trumpet (probably with a short bell since they mention it as a "shrill" instrument).

Clarion: "a small shrill trumpet or bugle"

Short horn gives a "shrill" sound, larger horn gives a mellow rounder sound - the other extreme is the French horn. Probably why the French Horn is so slow.

Now that I think about it. The atmosphere probably represents a very low impedance load with a low resonant frequency, the French horn couples to the low impedance a trumpet is mismatched to a higher impedance. The Trumpet can bounce around and do its own thing while the French Horn or Tuba, or Sousaphone, is mired in trying to move the whole atmosphere.

Interesting

A simple bugle only has four easy to reach notes - good for "Taps" , Charge, Chow call, horse races, Reveille, fanfares, etc. Not much use for more complex music.

Each valve adds four notes and each combination of two or three valves adds four notes. Twenty four notes for three valves. Single valve bugle has 8 notes total - enough to play simple music

The human playing the horn can reach four easily resonant notes with one length of pipe. "My Dog Has Fleas." You can fudge that with two above and one or two below - but they do not have the same timbre or volume. Like a clarinet hitting C above high C - it can do it, but not many people can do it.

Well, I looked up "clarion" on google images, and the first one looks like a clarinet and the second looks like a soprano sax. The third and fourth look more like I had in mind, except mine has a loop like a trumpet, then a long tube out to a little tiny bell that's more abruptly curved than on a trumpet.

I've seen them play them at Disneyland - the giant toy soldiers were playing them; and at Medieval Times, they used them to herald the start of the show, more or less.

I'll google some more, and see if I can find out what it's really supposed to be called. They're quite shrill, or "tinny", which I'm sure has something to do with impedance matching and stuff.

I guess it's called a "herald trumpet". :-)

Thanks! Rich

I think I once hit the third register on a flute, but almost popped a blood vessel. ;-)

Cheers! Rich

You're a little gang boy retard that probably wear his pants down past his asscrack.

The word is MOLDING, you retarded f*ck. I am at least one order of magnitude more intellectual than you are, and at least two orders of magnitude more intelligent than you are, dumbshit.

Learn how to use your filter, dipshit.

And as stated, they ARE indeed different instruments, regardless of any common rooting, idiot.

You'd better hurry then, chump.

You are a clueless little bastard. Your mother should be jailed as a felon for the crime of not flushing the piece of s*it you are, the moment she shat you out of her ass.

You're a goddamned retard.

A clarinet is a reed instrument, idiot.

Your original statement was that "the trumpet only has 4 notes per valve combination". You say you "played a trumpet" but you couldn't have ever developed any facility on it, otherwise you'd know that's just patently wrong.

Yes, it's true there are limited note choices with a given valve combination in the lower register but the harmonics get closer the higher you go. Add more valves and you're using a longer horn with more harmonics in the lower register. With a 1-2-3 combination I count

When you say "only 4 easily reachable" notes - I assume referring to the open horn - i.e. no valves - this may be true for a beginner who can't even get to G on top of the staff (which you need for "taps") or some old duffer who only takes it out of the case on Veteran's day or something but this isn't true for someone who's developed any kind of facility. Listen to even a good high school stage band and you'll hear higher notes that are plenty "solid".

Right I meant to use coronet

Unless you're kidding... you mean *cornet* Randy

A cornet is a bugle with valves. A trumpet has a straight pipe (2/3 straight - 1/3 tapered, IIRC) and a cornet tapered tube (2/3s tapered). The trumpet has a higher 'Q', thus a harsher sound. It's much like the difference between a trombone and baritone or euphonium. Same ratio of tapered to straight tubing.

I know that as a "triumphant trumpet"; the instrument they use at horse tracks for "The Call to Races". It is a trumpet, so has 2/3s straight tubing.

No, a short horn would give a higher pitch. The crisper sound is caused by straight tubing.

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Look at the taper. The french horn is quite tapered with very little straight tubing. A trumpet or trombone has very straight tubing.

There is actually a lot of functional similarity between sound production in the trumpet and a double reed instrument such as an oboe.

Change the metal trumpet for an oboe like keyed body (cornetto), blow it mostly at the lower overtones, and you get a very oboe like sound.

Even in the higher overtones, it's long been known that a trumpet at a distance (where some of the brassiness dies out) can be mistaken for an oboe.

In fact, playing strictly on the high overtones of a longer brass instrument - boroque trumpet or modern french horn - gives a very woodwind compatible sound.

Historically speaking you had your horns which were mostly tapered, including bugles. And your trumpets which were mostly constant diameter except in the first and last sections. But after the introduction of valves the difference in the amount of tapered tubing largely went away. Any tubing inserted by a valve must be the same diameter at both ends, so the more valves that are engaged the lower the proportion of tapered tubing to overall length. Further, the diameter of the tubing in each valve tends to be the same as they are usually located adjacent to each other without much room for taper in between. There have been some exceptions with fourth valves on euhphoniums and fourth and fifth valves on french horns sometimes using different diameter tubing, but by and large the modern valved instruments carry a high, and nearly equal, fraction of their overall length as cylindrical tubing.

Until the mid 1800's trumpets were valveless instruments, most popularly single coiled about 9 feet long and standing in D alto. Being longer than bugles, a typical player could access more of their overtones and thus obtain more notes than on the shorter valveless instruments.

Other historical divergences include the keyed bugle, and Adolphe Sax's first family of inventions, the saxhorns, which are saxophone- hinting bodies lip-blown with brass instrument type mouthpieces.

Not true. Look at a cornet next to a trumpet. The cornet has far more tapered tubing.

A cornet and trumpet have the same pitch (same length), yet sound quite differently.

Of course instruments changed along the line; euphonium/baritone, double-base recorder/tuba/sousaphone.

Yet it can still be discerned by the trained ear. Any conductor could tell in a heartbeat.

But NOT in the valve area.

Even in the rare cases you're right, you're still stupid.

F*ck off, you little retarded piece of s*it.