OT: Wisconsin

Luckily, politics is rarely a blood sport here. Sore throats from shouting is the most common hazard. And hangovers.

John

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I suppose there has always been unrest in the USA from the civil war to FDR to anti Vietnam and now the big gov't/socialist folks vs. individual liberty/small gov't.

What is different now is that after 40 years of the struggle being one sided, the small government side is finally making some strides.

The oil drilling ban is going to have to fall here sooner or later.

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It already fell.

" 'Each step the government took following the court=92s imposition of a preliminary injunction showcases its defiance,' [U.S. District Judge] Feldman said in the ruling.

" 'Such dismissive conduct, viewed in tandem with the re-imposition of a second blanket and substantively identical moratorium, and in light of the national importance of this case, provide this court with clear and convincing evidence of the government=92s contempt,' Feldman said.

" 'President Obama claims to have lifted the Gulf moratorium, yet not a single deepwater permit has been issued in nine months,=94 Jim Adams, the association=92s president, said in a release after the ruling. =93As a result, thousands of workers are out of jobs, Americans are paying more for gasoline and heating oil, and our nation is becoming even more dependent on unstable nations for our energy needs.=94

The administration doesn't care. They don't follow laws, only impose them. They're above the law, outside it. They're outlaws.

-- Cheers, James Arthur

On a sunny day (Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:10:18 -0800 (PST)) it happened brent wrote in :

What is interesting and somehow logical, is that CNN continuously reports on 3 CIA sponsored protestors in Libya waving some sign, and is so quiet about what goes on at home. Obviously Uncle Sam is scared to death this will spread in its own nest. If it does hay may shut down the Internet. LOL :_)

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When the conservatives (at the grass root level) decide to quit playing by the rules after watching the left not play by the rules for

On a sunny day (Sun, 27 Feb 2011 04:48:20 -0800 (PST)) it happened brent wrote in :

Interesting viewpoint. My experience with 'life' is like this: People will only let go of some addiction (be it drugs, or some political party or view, or whatever), if there is something BETTER to replace it. When thousands are without a job, left will become stronger. When inflation starts to increase and food prices go way up, left will become stronger. I think the old game is to start wars and kill most of the youth in those wars, if not most of everybody, or at least everybody who is stupid enough to fall for the plot, usually you get a draft, so nobody has a choice not to fight for .. for what? See, national socialism was a way out in Germany, out of inflation. So it is very possible the pendulum of history will repeat itself. But this time we have nuclear weapons, and in history all weapons that have ever been invented have been used on a large scale. So, you may dream about 'conservatives' doing 'something' within 'a month', but dreams come free, and the wakeup may be in a different world than where your dream was. The empire will fall, many in the cities will die of hunger, only some on the land will survive, will they have offspring with all that radiation and chemical weapon stuff abound? Will they be united? 'Conservatives' will be just a word remembered by some hystoricans. US is just a big weapon factory, has a huge debt to the rest of the world, and tries to fix that by creating unrest and grabbing resources with force. 'It is human nature, not good or bad in absolute sense, I am just observing and comparing with history. You can go to Italy and look at the Colosseum, it is one of the things left from the Roman empire. You can go to Greece and look at mount Olympus, or you can go to south America and look at the Maya ruins. There is Uncle Sam's future written in stone for those who can read it. Will humans even rule the planets and galaxies? Can an ant imagine what humans do? In the same way we cannot imagine what species or life form will rule - for a while - next

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come stronger.

At the moment the left is starting to be exposed and is under stress. How much stress, I do not know.

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You are correct, that nuclear weapons...etc , have forced a rethink war.

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True, dreams come free. I know that I am over reaching here, but the left has controlled the debate for and the agenda for 40 years. I think that they are starting to lose that. But things will change in a month if, for instance, Suadi Arabia goes to civil war and gasoline in the USA goes to $6-10/gallon. I always laughed at the "no blood for oil" saying. In reality the saying should be "no blood for a 50 cent/gallon increase in oil" Because if oil goes to $8 / galllon people will die one way or another. Food shortages, breakdown of city bugdets, hence no fire depts. hence people burn to death in fires , less ambulance services. So the saying should be "no oil =3D blood".

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In the USA none of this has to happen if we get our energy policy in line with reality. We have no problem on the food front (as long as we have energy for the food industry). If we can get our energy needs in line there will be no civil war or death in the cities or whatever. That is what frustrates me, energy is everything and we treat it as some unneeded luxury (at least in the debates that are in public purview ) So we are getting a mentality that energy is a luxury when in reality it is everything.

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We don't actually grab the resources the way imperialists did in the past.

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We can still turn this around.

erica and look at the Maya ruins.

Well, you are getting ito sci-fi now. And based upon the independence day film, humanity would unite to fight off aliens. I prefer the present system.

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And the occasional politician with a bullet in the head

On a sunny day (Sun, 27 Feb 2011 05:49:35 -0800 (PST)) it happened brent wrote in :

Yes, not a bad movie, not bad at all, it also has the American spirit in it. with the president himself actually flying a jet to fight the aliens.

I prefer 'The fifth element', better colours, better costumes, nice plot, very good play, it sticks out as a jewel in the garbage that Hollywood usually comes up with.

And in that one some Aliens actually tried to help.

On a sunny day (Sun, 27 Feb 2011 14:35:14 +0000) it happened Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote in :

Yep, and Lincoln was murdeerd, Reagan was shot too, etc. Kennedy.

waving some sign,

As in dead :-) ...Jim Thompson

party or view, or whatever),

Or if they're desperate. Then they vote for "change", which means "let's try anything different, even an unknown quantity." That gets you Barack Obama.

come stronger.

In America, those events expose the left's dismal failure to deliver on its promises. They've created a series of Madoff-scams over the decades, Ponzi schemes, robbed them in the name of compassion, and now it's all ready to collapse.

President Obama's "stimulus" spending has ruined hiring, and his attempts to buy off people with unemployment checks just aren't enough. Unearned checks are poor substitutes for having jobs. People would rather work and be useful.

I see high inflation and a debt crisis bought on by the President and his party's reckless spending, collapse of the entitlement frauds, a recognition of the failures, a reorganization, and a renewed, reinvigorated America emerging.

People will eventually understand that o the government taking a big chunk out of their boss does not help them, their job, or anyone else's o redistributing wealth destroys it o government can't create net jobs, only redistribute them, destroying 2 or 3 for every one it creates.

and so forth. In short, in these instances "Government's not the solution, it's the problem." --R. Reagan

-- Cheers, James Arthur

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All conservatives who believed in smaller government though--they're the ones who have to worry about getting murdered.

-- Cheers, James Arthur

On a sunny day (Sun, 27 Feb 2011 18:13:18 +0000) it happened Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote in :

Now that is really funny after I just did read this:

I think it was Nixon who ditched the gold lock to the dollar, but however you sliced it the US cannot force anybody anymore. All it can do is print paper. As I have stated before, US is a paper tiger.

'With a bit of luck' you can go to Las Vegas and throw in a coin, and walk out a millionaire. Chances are better than the US controlling China.

It is the left that wants a totalitarian government. The right wants a weak government and strong individual citizens. Problem for the left with individual citizen power is the the lefty character is so corrupt that it knows that lefty citizens cannot handle that kind of power. The conservative citizens can handle it. We have 200 years of proof positive.

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"While communist China moves in the direction of market reforms, decentralization, and privatization, including embracing the gold standard, the United States continues to pursue a destructive course of deficit spending, Keynesian economics, unsound and unsubstantiated currency, and economic nationalization."

Ouch.

Yes, then he tried to man-handle the economy, set prices, etc. Central planning. A disaster, of course. Nixon also wanted socialized medicine.

The problem with those is that they're never as good as the collective wisdom of hundreds of millions of people choosing billions of times a day exactly what things they need, and how much they're willing to pay.

k out a millionaire.

Think about that. Our free-lunch, everyone-gets-a-prize philosophers have spent us into such debt that we're dependent on a third-world country for handouts.

-- Cheers, James Arthur