OT: Sad Days for America and the World- Four More Years of Hell

Gosh Fred, you sure sound fazed.

Did you listen to, or even better read, his Inaugural address? You have two choices:

  1. Believe he means this and that it's possible.

or

  1. Believe in nothing. In that case, he's a winner and you're a loser, and that's OK because only power matters and the world has always been, and will always be, a miserable mess. Tough luck about those kids in Africa.

I can, I think, accurately predict which members of this NG will choose which option.

Cal is a bit intense. Peggy Noonan really hit the nail on the head. Or in the head. Whatever.

John

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John Larkin
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Bush is an uber-moron. All but the likeminded can see this. The good news is, he won't be in office next term. As usual, the democrats will probably be elected in to pick up the pieces. (If any pieces remain, that is.)

So what will the AmeriKan dollar be worth in 4 more years? Anyone? And to think, some call that "progress." Yeah!

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Mark Jones

Bush: Unfazed ... or Unhinged? Why nothing gets him down by Dr. Teresa Whitehurst

"Mr. Bush said there was no need to hold any of his officials accountable for mistakes or misjudgments in prewar planning or managing the aftermath?The [Washington Post] asked Mr. Bush why no one had been held responsible for wrong information about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq or mistakes made after the US-led war.

"'Well, we had an accountability moment, and that's called the 2004 election,' he replied."

- "U.S. Voters 'Endorsed Iraq Policy,'" BBC.com

When I saw the tease for the Fox News story, "Bush Unfazed by Criticism of Iraq WMD Hunt: Find out why the president doesn't let the press get him down," I had to read on:

"[B]ush is also good at not letting the press get the better of him by drawing him into their traps, especially ones set by the White House press corps seeking for him to admit he was wrong about weapons in Iraq."

This "explanation" is Fox-speak, and as usual it disappoints. My curiosity was not satisfied. Why does the president not "let the press get him down"? Because "he's good at not letting the press get the better of him."

I examined the article more closely, but it never answers the tempting question of the story's subtitle. There are, however, a few revealing quotes (emphasis added):

"Even though Bush enjoys joking with the media, he does not trust them?." "'We sometimes joke about things that are said about both of us,' Cheney told FOX News." "But with the body count on the rise in Iraq, criticism continued throughout 2004. Vice President Cheney said most of the time, he and Bush learned to shake off the wilting attacks." "'There was sort of a little obsession about, "Let's get the president to admit he made a mistake." And he just wasn't interested in it,' [FOX News contributor and Washington Times reporter Bill] Sammon said." "[Bush] said while he got his hackles up when his father was criticized, he isn't going to let attacks on himself get his dander up." "You know, look, I love my dad a lot. And I didn't like when people said bad things about him. And I'm kind of a feisty guy at times and made it clear I didn't like what they said," [Bush] said. "But I'm in a different position. I'm in a position now where I must set goals and inspire and lead?." Some interesting patterns may be detected in these statements that help us understand the man who'll be inaugurated with record-breaking security today.

  1. Instead of giving us insight into GWB (why he doesn't let the press get him down), the story editorializes about the press and its nefarious methods: "Bush is also good at not letting the press get the better of him by drawing him into their traps." We are given to understand that the press doesn't ask honest questions aimed at getting answers.

Questions are viewed by Mr. Bush as nothing but traps ? "especially ones set by the White House press corps seeking for him to admit he was wrong about weapons in Iraq." The story never questions, nor even notes, this paranoid portrait of a malicious press trying to hurt a beleaguered innocent.

  1. Instead of telling us why Mr. Bush doesn't let the press get him down, this story tells us how. He does it by "shaking if off," by "joking," and by not being "interested." It would seem that Mr. Bush maintains this "joking/shaking-it-off/not interested" stance to defend against "wilting attacks" regarding matters as vital to the American people as this war and its rationale ? even in the midst of rising military body counts.

What do these responses reveal about Mr. Bush? His evasive/uninterested responses to journalists are aggressive acts (not answering or explaining) camouflaged as benign or passive (never admitting that he's angry at being asked, or that he has no intention of providing the information requested). Psychologists call this passive-aggressive behavior.

Mr. Bush "jokes" in the face of questions and criticism to conceal the negative emotions he experiences whenever he has to face reporters. The joking act has three important advantages. By laughing, he

a. conceals his irritation, fear, or anger (essential in order to convince others that he has nothing to hide); b. makes his refusal to answer appear accidental and unintentional (Lt. Columbo's absent-minded mumbling is similarly amused and distracted, disguising his snooping); and c. speaks in code to his good-ol'-boy base by appearing "above it all," untroubled by, and superior to, the supposedly elite, overeducated reporters "trying to trap him."

  1. We see a glimmer of the anger lying just under the surface of the "joking" demeanor when Mr. Bush ominously understates the fact that he "doesn't like it" when people say bad things about his dad, and that he makes his displeasure clear. Oddly but tellingly, he then switches the subject to his power, the ultimate trump card: He's the president, not the lowly journalists who dare to question his dad ? or, more importantly, him.

"Contempt Is the Prerogative of the King"

The link between contemptuous indifference and power is interesting. To be indifferent is to be in control; a lion is unfazed by a kitten's bite. Yet this is just an act. Nobody ? unless psychotic or psychopathic ? is unfazed when confronted with serious criticism.

Pretending to be unfazed can conceal irritation, panic, rage, or the desire for revenge. Revealing these emotions (which "leaked" during the presidential debates) would crack the image of infallibility and calm power that his advisors have worked so hard to create.

In little-boy language, George W. Bush says it's important for us to know that he's "the president of everybody" ? including (especially?) those who didn't vote for him. Power is intoxicating, and unfortunately our president is tipsy, if not drunk, on it. Revising the kindergarten line, "You aren't the boss of me," he asserts his dominance:

"On the election, Bush said he was puzzled that he received only about

11 percent of the black vote.... 'I did my best to reach out, and I will continue to do so. ? It's important for people to know that I'm the president of everybody.'"

Clearly, Mr. Bush is unfazed much of the time. In a quick Google search, I found 517 Web pages with articles titled, "Bush unfazed?." Here's a sample of the results:

Bush unfazed by UK protest plans Bush unfazed by 'loving women' gaffe Bush unfazed by criticism Bush unfazed by falling car rental taxes, Orlando hotel closings Bush unfazed as absence of WMDs confirmed Bush unfazed by criticism, believes WMD search has just begun Bush unfazed by death toll (this blunt title has been hidden by The Herald Sun) Bush unfazed as US toll in Iraq tops 1,000 Bush unfazed by spineless pundits, UN In that last article, writer Cal Thomas hails Mr. Bush's unfazed stance, "The president neither retreated nor apologized for the war or his claim that Hussein possessed WMDs." This "no regrets" policy requires the "unfazed" strategy (which likely came from GOP advisors) wherein conscience is banished. GWB's guilt-free indifference has become a fad, adopted by all manner of people ? from prime ministers to torturers.

Though some might consider him a sociopath, our president is unfazed by this. Nothing shatters his calm resolve ? not even the endless deaths of American kids sent to rid Iraq of imaginary weapons. Mr. Bush is unfazed by our pleas to honor democratic principles and heed the moral values that Jesus taught. He was unfazed yesterday, he's unfazed today, and he will be unfazed tomorrow, joking even as he's called to account for the damage he's doing to our country. He's so unfazed that you can almost see the steam coming out of his ears.

Reply to
Fred Bloggs

What a stupid statement. EuroPeons won't be able to sell any goods. What do you think that will do to Europe?

...Jim Thompson

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Reply to
Jim Thompson

When Pat Buchanan and Newt Gingrich say that Dubya is barking up the wrong tree, something is definitely afoot. I just can't believe that John McCain bent over for GWB.

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JeffM

Should read :

Sad days for Fred, he just can't get over the election results.

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James Beck

Mighty strange circular reasoning. Come back in four years and tell me about it... provided you survive the EuroPeon recession ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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Reply to
Jim Thompson

That's a lot to buy in one month!

Mortgage? What's that?

John

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John Larkin
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Yes, I understand the credit card debt may be as high as $20K for some folk.

Me, I have a mortgage, but pay my credit cards off each month. Mostly I use debit cards, except for those transactions that require credit... such as car rentals.

I'm the kind of guy who negotiates price on a car, then pay cash... really pisses off car salesmen ;-)

Money is really just a fiction... productivity per capita is what matters, and the US still holds the lead, though some studies seem to indicate that France has more productivity per hour worked...

Sno-o-o-o-ort! Gag me with a spoon, that'll be the day ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

Canada is not far from most places in the US, also Mexico is missing quite a few folks, if these places don't suit you Europe is available for about $299.00. Move somewhere for four years then come back and let us know what you think!

behavior.

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Jim Douglas

You know how it is... pay off a house and the wife decides she wants to move... to a larger house ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

I think so.

It's said that 20% of the population has 90% of the wealth. That's because 80% of the population has a negative net worth, more debt than assets. I know people who are struggling to put their kids through school and pay their rent, but have a $60,000 SUV.

John

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John Larkin

Middle ground; so everybody hates him.

John

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John Larkin

Nope. On the issues on which they disagree with Dubya, Buchanan and Gingrich are to the LEFT of Dubya. Shocking.

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JeffM

Really, you should read it. This guy is really in sync with history.

OK, I understand that he has faith in the perfectibility of humankind, and you don't. What I don't understand is why you, and so many other people, absolutely hate him for it. It's like you *want* the world to remain mired in hate and oppression, that you really enjoy it that way. Do you?

"History has an ebb and flow of justice, but history also has a visible direction, set by liberty and the Author of liberty."

Damn, that's a zinger.

John

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John Larkin

My guess : 40-60% of what it is now. Well, at least it pays their debt nicely. Or as the americans put it : it makes them again credit worthy. Don't think twice - get that money immediately.

Rene

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Rene Tschaggelar

Jim, you might not be included, but most of your fellow citisens have debts as high as the roof of their house. That is inland debt and not really interesting for the value of the USD. But the high demand for imported goods has a direct influence on the USD.

I know, it'll delay or rather cancel the long awaited economy boost. However, it is not Europe to decide. I guess it is Japan and China that will do that. Since the US imports much more goods (in value) that they export, it is the (to the US) delivering nations that get truckloads of dollars they somehow have to spend. Yes, buying US companies and US real estate is fine, they did that already. There are still truckloads of cash to be spent.

The Japanese exporting 70% of their export to the US indeed think twice about letting the USD drop. It affects their economy heavily. Just letting it drop 10% against the Yen, means a number of companies have to close the doors. On the other hand it is hard to communicate to the voters that the goverment has to subsidize another nation of boundless spenders. They sleep on hard ricemats while the others drive the big cars with their money. Simplified : When you sleep on a hard ricemat anyway, why work too hard for others ?

China is said to be a huge net subsidizer of the USD too. They keep their Yuan low to keep the economy going. Were they to adjust it, their goods would become more expensive which would throttle the economy. When the Yuan is too low, they pay too much for imports, such as oil. The adjustment of the Yuan is before the door, just a matter of the moment. This then means that the US (and the rest of the world) will have to pay more for chinese goods. This is also a defacto devaluation of the other currencies. While the dependence of the chinese econeomy on exports to the US was strong, they meanwhile diversified. This means a dropping USD doesn't hit them as hard as others.

Jim, I'm troubled by the coming events. I'm not really looking forward to buy precision electronics for peanuts. There is far more to it that I, as unstudied hobby economist can imagine.

It is just apparent to me that since many are trying to hold the USD up, there will be an avalanche release, those foreigners leaving the USD last will be bitten by the dogs.

Rene

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Rene Tschaggelar

I cannot possibly believe that more than a tiny percentage of the population of the US has a true negative net worth.

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....claims that 15% have negative or zero net worth, but that still seems too high.

Other than people who rent and spend all their money as they receive it, the only time that typically happens is when there is a major housing slump and young folks get caught with a $400,000 mortgage on a house that is suddenly worth $350,000. But that's a once in a generation thing.

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Spehro Pefhany

Force them to sell the BMWs to China?

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Richard Henry

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Well, he could hardly say he had been told deliberate lies by the CIA (to support oft-stated USA intentions in Iraq) because he was not supposed to know that.

The same tactics are being employed against Iran and N.Korea.

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Reg Edwards

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