On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 1:03:16 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote: ..
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I am very skeptical about that - sure the hybrids may lose relative to their fuel consumption in a less hilly environment but I'm sure they are much better than the non-hybrid counterparts.
At least some of the energy that would go to the brakes is reclaimed in a hybrid as well as saving fuel in other ways.
I did find one Prius power complaining he was only 30-40mpg in San Francisco but a similar conventional car would probably only get 50-60% of that.
I average about 60mpg in a Prius - with 51.5mpg on my last high speed run on highway 5 to Oregon and back.
There is some truth to that because of the very low price of fuel here but you seemed to be using the Edmunds table as evidence that diesel and hybrid cars were not efficient.
When I lived in the UK I would spend about 20-25% of my salary on fuel for the car - here it is less than 1% so whether the car gets 20mpg or 60mpg is a non-issue financially.
Expanding on JL's "price for fun"... I'm a _wee_bit_older_ and cut my teeth on V8's, so I have a honking big V8 in a _big_ car (Q45)... doesn't bother me a bit that, on a recent trip to Tucson, doing
90-100MPH, I only got ~18mpg.
I probably average about $220/month on gasoline (but I'm 45 miles from central Phoenix). ...Jim Thompson
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Why is it that the most unproductive members of our society blame
the most productive members of our society for their failures?
I drove a 1983 Dodge D50 tubro diesel 4WD pickup truck. It was retired after 283K miles and 25 years. When new, it delivered 45 mpg. Just before retirement, this had dropped to about 30 mpg. The only unusual work I had to do was a cracked head replacement cause by overheating the engine at about 100K miles.. I really miss it.
The giant diesel pickups have various causes. Consumers want more for their money. Bigger is better. There's the intimidation factor of owning an urban assault vehicle. However, nothing gets a buyers attention like the bottom line, where vehicles under 6000 lbs GVWR are penalized by the Gas Guzzlers Tax: "It applies to any automobile (1) with an unloaded gross vehicle weight rating of 6,000 pounds or less..." At just under 6,000 lbs, the added cost of this tax is $2,000 to $7,000. So, it pays to buy something big and heavy and not pay the tax.
If you look at the evolution of my Dodge D50 diesel (actually a Mitsubishi Triton): you might notice the evolutionary increases in size and weight. Also, note that 1985 was the last year Dodge offered a diesel (4D55) engine. I've heard various explanations over the years, but the one that makes sense to me was that Mitsubishi had to make changes to meet emission requirements, which drastically lowered the diesel gas mileage. As a result, they didn't sell well, so it was discontinued. I don't have numbers for 1983, but I'm fairly sure it was around 45 mpg average.
1984 is a very different story at 28 mpg:
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On Saturday, 7 October 2017 21:00:04 UTC+1, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wro te:
m some of that. I wonder how many people die due to the financial loss of l ow mpg vehicles followed by being unable to spend that money on life saving measures. That's how diesels win.
g because it doesn't take into account that diesel is heavier
The mpg figures of current road cars vary far more than than. Diesel 66 ver sus petrol 44 is fairly typical. I get 69mpg combined with a medium sized c ar.
some of that. I wonder how many people die due to the financial loss of lo w mpg vehicles followed by being unable to spend that money on life saving measures. That's how diesels win.
IIRC the most fuel efficient is the Kia Rio 1.4 diesel at 80-88mpg.
I find it's even better than that. I'm quite happy to fill up only once a month. I don't want to have to switch to petrol and do it several times (and pay loads more tax) a week as the Lefties want. FTFAL.
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Most of that huge disparity in taxation can be accounted for by our health service. If Hitlary had had her way, the taxes would have been pretty similar 'cos a health service don't come cheap anywhere in the West!
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Got any pics? What's the capacity of that V8? I got a V12 here (also for fun) and practically have to have a tanker follow me around everywhere.
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Sounds like the kind of thing a douchebag would drive.
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Yes! And in a way that is the whole point: once one problem is solved the Lefties will invariably identify the next thing to bitch about and tax that to death, even if the health advantages are marginal at best and regardless of any credible supporting evidence (or lack thereof).
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On a sunny day (Sun, 8 Oct 2017 10:43:25 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Cursitor Doom wrote in :
We could have had nuclear powered rockets and have colonized the solar system and beyond by now if it was not for the green's fears of the word nuclear. How about RTGs (Radio Thermal Generators) to keep the batteries in electric cars charged 24/7? That thing in Cassini was 300 W according to NASA, no more 'refueling' for 30 years.
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Totally safe with new self-driving artificial intelligent .. hahahahah Now THAT AI is one thing to be afraid of. It could beat a large part of the population ;-)
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