OT: Coming soon to America

heres what happens when you import a violent foreign culture into a peaceful native one...

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Julian Barnes
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Den tirsdag den 14. februar 2017 kl. 00.40.22 UTC+1 skrev Julian Barnes:

is it that different from the worst of US inner cities?

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Lasse Langwadt Christensen

The UK Express newspaper is one of the less reliable right-wing propaganda sources, and provides just the kind of misleading information that makes Julian Barnes happy.

As Lasse Langwadt Christensen has already pointed out, this kind of behaviour has been showing up from time to time in the US for decades now.

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reports on a 1965 incident. There have been others since then.

The French don't mistreat their minority populations quite as enthusiastically as the US did, but Aulnay-Sous-Bois does house quite a few justifiably disaffected people.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

doesn't matter who does it, rioting and setting cars on fire is retarded and it seems to be the same type of people that blame everyone else for their failings, it can't possibly be anything they do themselve it must be "the system"

you may call it right wing propaganda, but at least they report on it and doesn't try to sweep it under the rug or justify it because shoving violent thugs might not paint a picture they like

seriously, you pick something that happened +50 year ago?

sitting on wellfare stewing in their own misery imagining how wonderful everything would be if it was more the war torn hell holes their parents came from, is surely going to lead them to success...

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Lasse Langwadt Christensen

So we need more, right?

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krw

Den tirsdag den 14. februar 2017 kl. 03.01.05 UTC+1 skrev snipped-for-privacy@notreal.com:

obviously not, it was a more a comment on the "coming soon to America"

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Lasse Langwadt Christensen

The right wing seems to think so. They certainly behave as if they want to inflame the rage of the less well-off.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

Den tirsdag den 14. februar 2017 kl. 03.30.48 UTC+1 skrev snipped-for-privacy@ieee.org :

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as opposed to the left wing that keeps telling them that it can't be anythi ng with their actions, the only possible reason they are "less well-off" is they are oppressed by some "system" and keep repeating the myth that polic e is gunning down innocent people en mass that can't possibly inflame rage ... /s

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Lasse Langwadt Christensen

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failings, it can't possibly be anything they do themselves it must be

The system clearly isn't working for them. History suggests that making a l oud enough fuss is one way of getting the system to become more helpful. T here are better ways of doing that, but poorly educated immigrants aren't w ell-placed to exploit them.

nt thugs might not paint a picture they like.

Julian Barnes talks about "importing a violent foreign culture" which rathe r neglects the fact that the French have a history of rioting that goes bac k to l 1789 and earlier.

The Express does like to concentrate on the violent behaviour of the thugs, while neglecting the social forces that provoke the behaviour.

Making the point that the US has had dissaffected minorities for quite a wh ile now. Watts had another riot in 1992, and it's certainly not the most re cent such event.

tically as the US did, but Aulnay-Sous-Bois does house quite a few justifia bly disaffected people.

I don't think that anybody in France thinks that Syria is a more attractive place to live. The French problem seems to be that they don't spend enough on welfare, in the sense that the persistently unemployed aren't offered a ny kind of route - via training or retraining, for instance - that would ge t them into work. The Danes do try harder. They may not get more people int o employment, but the disaffected residents of Denmark are less disaffected .

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

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to inflame the rage of the less well-off.

hing with their actions, the only possible reason they are "less well-off" is they are oppressed by some "system" and keep repeating the myth that pol ice is gunning down innocent people en mass

Doesn't sound like any left wing that I've ever run into.

Police don't gun down innocent people en masse in countries civilised enoug h to have a left wing that tells people stuff. Even the most cynical left w ing agitator has to be realistic enough to know that claiming otherwise is a waste of time. Right-wing agitators - Julian Barnes comes to mind - are l ess scrupulous, mainly because most of them are lunatics.

If it happened, it might. US agitators get a lot of mileage out of individu als getting shot by a demented individual police officer for no obvious goo d reason. It doesn't happen often, but it doesn't have to happen all that o ften to upset a lot of people.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

That entirely apposite remark was no doubt lost on Sloman. It will have gone right over his head.

I think you'll find that there are plenty of less well-off people on the Right wing. Poverty isn't the exclusive preserve of Lefties. The difference is poor Right-wingers are smart enough to realise that Leftie solutions to their problems simply don't stack up and would only make their plight a hell of a lot worse. The massive importation of cheap foreign labour into countries such as the UK in recent years has left an indelible scar on their already low standard of living through the phenomenon of wage compression. That's why UKIP have done so well in former Labour strongholds. Labour has taken the support of the poor working class for granted for decades but thankfully those fools have finally woken up to such an extent that we now - at long last - see the prospect of the end of the phoney Left/Right paradigm.

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Cursitor Doom

Krw couldn't make an appositive remark if his life depended on it. The US d oesn't have to import Muslims to provide a disaffected minority - it import ed a different minority as slaves few centuries ago, and has been treating them poorly ever since, to the extent that some of them converted to Islam to upset WASPs around 1930.

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That doesn't happen to be true. Leftie solutions, as applied in Scandinavia , the Netherlands and Germany to do work. Pseudo-leftie solutions, as appli ed in the US and the UK, are designed to look leftie, but are underfunded t o the point where they can't work.

The right-wing poor who fall for that line are dumb suckers, at least as du mb and deluded as Cursitor Doom.

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How much cheap foreign labour has actually been imported into the UK in rec ent years?

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says several million of them - about 16.7% of the work-force (up from 7.2% in 1993, when I moved away).

Mark Carney's claim in the Mail about wage compression is regarded sceptica lly by The Independent

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UKIP lied, as you are doing (though you do seem to be too pig-ignorant to r ealise it). It's depressing that the former Labour strongholds are full of people who haven't been educated well enough to know when they are being li ed to. The same kind of people in the US rust-belt states ended up voting f or Trump. Being gullible doesn't help you choose good politicians, or polit icians who can be relied on to deliver what they promise.

Sadly, the foolishness is all in believing what you might read in the Mail.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

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