OT: Airport Security Solved!

And if you're carrying the components of a binary explosive which are individually not explosive?

Sylvia.

In that case, it's just a win (not a win-win) situation.

-mpm

...then you are harmless. Thomas C. Greene covered this part of Security Theatre in 2006. It's amazing how many people still repeat this nonsense.

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Although that is true there are other things that would get through. In more innocent days I have known people who carried things that most definitely should never have been on an aircraft in their hand luggage.

The problem is that the enemy has the advantage of knowing what characteristics of hostile compounds we are looking for.

Regards, Martin Brown

It would also kill anyone with a pacemaker.

Old hat. It has already been done for anti-terrorist work. Why do you think some terrorist bombs detonate prematurely?

Regards, Martin Brown

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Ex hypothesi, you're carrying the components of a binary explosive. You are therefore not harmless. The fact that some suggested methods of constructing binary explosives wouldn't work has no bearing on the matter.

Sylvia.

Pity that it doesn't deal with the two-part explosives that you mix together in the toilent on the plane.

This seems to be one of those magnificently simple solutions that every manager can come up with.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Pity that it doesn't deal with the two-part explosives that you mix together in the toilent on the plane.

This seems to be one of those magnificently simple solutions that every manager can come up with.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Pity that it doesn't deal with the two-part explosives that you mix together in the toilent on the plane.

This seems to be one of those magnificently simple solutions that every manager can come up with.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Yea, managers seldom have real solutions.

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Where's the win? Terrorist gets on aircraft, makes up explosive mixture and sets it off. Strikes me that everybody, with the possible exception of the terrorist's organisation, come out behind the game.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Too much Viagra, of course.

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Greed is the root of all eBay.

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Those three references look almost IDENTICAL, so can be considered as ONE (with a stutter). There are some hypergolic liquids that are spectacular when put together. Hydrazine and IRFNA, and (get this!) oxygen and hydrogen (and results are super-green so environmentalist APPROVED). I am sure there are other combinations but i am not an explosive expert, just some dumb heresy (oops--hearsay).

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Yes; there are explosives that use NO nitrogen, but the em-Fa-sis is totally on the sil-abble of of nitrogen.

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It is a reasonable strategy to look for nitrate based organics, but it is inevitable as a result that the terrorists will use TATP or some other structurally energetic compound that is not so easily detected. Thankfully making them is beyond the capability of kitchen sink chemists, but an unfriendly government might donate some to the cause.

There are a few items that can trigger false positives for nitrate swabs if handled immediately before travelling too.

Explosives are only one sort of weapon capable of bringing a plane down.

UK recently found an Al Qaeda fund raiser with an airside pass

Here is a UK (right wing) perspective on the CIA's role in making air travel ever more inconvenient for passengers but not more secure.

They are always fighting the previous battle and have no imagination.

Regards, Martin Brown

I propose what I call the 'anarchy system' for airport security. Lock all the passengers and luggage in one room and let everyone frisk and search each other. Once everyone is convinced that nobody is going to kill them, boarding begins. This is cheap and if the plane blows up it's not the airline at fault so the insurance costs might be smaller.

Terrorists stimulate spending on security which rob medical funds so a country can keep dying from cancer. Cancer is the real terrorist. I say take a few hits and dump the anti-terrorism money instead into medical research (cancer cure). Sure there will be a few bombs and terror planes here and there but still a cancer cure will save more lives. Also, bombing a nation with huge funds to cure cancer makes the terrorists look all the more evil. What's it going to be? The country that saves it's own ass or the country that saves the world?

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Speaking of no imagination, it's absurd to think a terrorist has failed if his bomb explodes say, at the x-ray machine instead of on- board a plane. I would go on, but then, the Homeland Security folks might come knockin'.... :)

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Now add a major case of "not invented here", just compare the = effectiveness=20 of Israeli security versus our own. They live in the hottest area and=20 are a hotter target than the US but do NOT have the problems we are = seeing.=20 They are obviously doing several somethings right that we (the US &c) are= not. Are we looking at what they do, and model our programs after theirs? Why= not?

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