Make 2000V at 100uA

Mar 20, 2017 46 Replies

I think "Big Willy Style" Sloman posted a document one time that showed all tanked class C power oscillator topologies were finally materially equivalent from an analysis standpoint.

The main advantage of the feedback winding for high output voltages where you're winding the xfmr by hand is that hand winding a center-tapped arrangement is a pain in the butt.

I think it's easier to just build a simple 1 transistor power oscillator on perfboard with a couple stages of multiplication and hand-wind a little inductor than try to futz around with an "eBay Special" tazer circuit designed to make over 60kV into doing what I wanted. Could probably have finished it in the time we spent talking about it; certainly long before a package from China arrived.

YMMV

Actually, this is a better scheme: just throw more hardware at the problem:

The basic Cockcroft-Walton rectifier is halfwave, so you use two to make a fullwave variant, but you can share half the capacitors (on the 'center leg') instead of duplicating them.

well dont touch 'em, then. whut r u some sort of perv lolz?

Not at all. If you want a really close-coupled centre-tapped pair, you wind it "bifilar" - work out how long a bit of wire you need, cut off two bits a bit long than that, twist them, and wind on the twisted pair.

National Bureau of Standards precision freaks assure us that the two halves of the pair are identical to one part in a billion. You probably need the two bits of wire to come off the same reel for that - reel to reel toleranc e on wire resistance is usually +/-2% (which implies +/-1% on diameter).

Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 4:50:01 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

Oh that's right, I forgot -- simulated transformers don't saturate.

Here, I tweaked it into a blocking version. It gets 1.4kV from +24V instead of yours making 900V from +48V, and is a bit easier on the base drive.

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I'm actually not sure what's flat-topping the flyback voltage--I'd think it would go higher.

Why doesn't yours have a higher resonance peak?

Cheers, James Arthur

How about this?

10KV High Frequency Transformer Booster Coil Inverter Electric Ignitor

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