Low voltage negative resistance oscillator design, lessons learned
Aug 08, 2019 119 Replies
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Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Fri, 9 Aug 2019 22:49:10 +0200) it happened Piotr Wyderski wrote in :
Yes, done that too:
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The gate voltage at the JFET is enough to switch an IRLZ34N on / off.
Now all you need is some hot plutonium... for an RTG.
Magnifying lens, sun? Efficiency better than a solar panel?
Gotto try:-)
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Clifford Heath
The Apollo Unified S-band communications (USB) used parametric amplifiers on receive, I think using TDs rather than varactors.
It's a curious thought though, using a varactor as an amplifier. Does anyone have an example circuit?
Clifford Heath.
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whit3rd
ather than varactors.
The Philbrick (P2?) was earlier, but this one is well documented
The AD310 usually sat in a teflon-bushed socket and might have to be hand-wired, but it gave the vacuum-tube vibrating reed electrometers some real solid state competition on leakage current. After all, if you bias a varactor at zero volts, what IS the expected DC current?
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Steve Wilson
Offset voltages could wreak havoc:
1 mV / 1 pV = 1 GOhm
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piglet
This drawing shows one way:
Here are several quirky things all going together:
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whit3rd
But the inverting node was the sensitive one; the noninverting node was usually grounded with a nice low impedance wire. That left the inverting node for making a transimpedance amplifier, converting current to voltage... with an unamplified DC offset added at the output terminal. No havoc in that configuration.
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Steve Wilson
Where did you find that information? I tried to find a datasheet without success. If you have one, can you post it?
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whit3rd
The old data catalog here has the info, pages 97ff. I think they called it the '310' with no letters prefixed, and that'd be a hard string to search on.
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Steve Wilson
Thanks. I didn't know you could page through by left-clicking.
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Clifford Heath
That uses a pump signal at well above the signal frequency. It's pretty hard to see how you could build an s-band amplifier that way.
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piglet
AFAIK they did, using X, Ku, or K band pumps. Then downconverting using conventional noisy devices.
To get gain in a para-amp requires the pump frequency to be higher than the input signal?
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Phil Hobbs
When I was an undergrad, circa 1980-81, I had a research assistantship with Professor Bill Shuter (radio astronomer and all-round good guy). He had a millimeter-wave radio telescope that looked for carbon-12 and carbon-13 monoxide emission at 115 and 110 GHz, respectively, for probing the structure of interstellar giant molecular clouds.
The front end was a cooled parametric downconverter, followed by an X-band GaAs FET IF amp, another downconverter, and a filter bank. (FFTs were still too slow in those days.)
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Steve Wilson
I am trying to understand how this worked. There is a diagram of the input circuit on page 3 of the file. Do you have any idea of the frequency and amplitude of the signal fed to the bridge?
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j.ponte
I did a teardown of one and reverse-engineered it:
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Haven't bothered to figure out the color coding on the resistors. The feedback to the "front-end" (post-bridge) JFET still somewhat mystifies me.
I'll hang my scope on it tomorrow to check the frequency. I seem recall the Philbrick P2 operating around 5MHz.
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j.ponte
Seems I screwed up the imgur post. Anyhow, here's the whole thing:
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Steve Wilson
Thanks. Much appreciated.
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Clifford Heath
Wow. But the question remains, does a TD/Varactor paramp need to be pumped, or can it operate just by being biased into a negative resistance region?
If pumped, wtf was that thing pumped with?
Clifford Heath.
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John Larkin
There were some self-oscillating TD parametric amplifiers and downconverters. TDs are basically gone, except for some back-diode RF detectors.
A varactor amp needs a separate pump oscillator.
John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk
jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
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piglet
Varactors don't have a negative resistance region.
In the early 1960s radio astronomers used MASERs as the pump source.
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piglet
Thanks, very interesting. Looks like the "varactors" are the E-BC junctions of the 2N5962.
I am puzzled how the oscillator works (those 2 pnps) - that is going to be my coffee-time challenge.
The color code is a good thing to learn. Ignore the yellow band after the gold or silver tolerance band, the yellow band is a quality indicator of established reliability for aerospace use and nothing about the electrical characteristics.
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