Lorenz Field Coil Array - Opinions?

Perhaps very large permanent magnets under the bench..?

Approximately nothing.

The configuration is reminiscient of pyramids arranged around a pentagon, or something to that effect. Whatever it's supposed to do, it will be about as effectual as the latter case, too..

Tim

It's more likely that the vertical cores are generating the magnetic field and that the toroidal windings are some kind of transformer. The gap in the toroidal cores would then just be a mechanism for letting the toroidal win dings cope with a higher current before the toroidal core saturated. There wouldn't be much field any distance away from the gaps.

This sounds odd.

There's nothing special about the Lorentz force - it's just the combination of electric and magnetic foces acting on a moving charged particle.

There will be magnetic forces between the vertical cores. I can't imagine t hat they will be anything except a nuisance.

Without knowing the fine detail of the windings, there's no way of finding out

It might be a device to get a fairly uniform magnetic field in the centre o f the ring, with the outer rings smoothing out the bumps created by the inn er ring.

The explanation stated that there was an effect created by the right-angle opposing fields of the solenoids and toroids. This translated to a motional force.

I think the assumption is that the array acts like a lens to interact with gravity. IOW it produces some kind of ambient field distortion which then results in a compensatory upward thrust.

I am wondering if the concept includes a phase difference between the three rings to simulate rotation or counter-rotation.

Could this be done?

Ken Knowles

The most familiar device where the Lorentz force is used to counteract gravity is called an 'elevator'. It's used to lift people from the ground to lofty places and back. Ken would do better to keep his two feet solidly on the ground.

Jeroen Belleman

Isn't that what they said to orville and Wilbur?

Personally, I prefer the stairs.

Ken

Don't ask people for opinions then. Climb the damned stairs yourself and tell us what you find up there!

Jeroen Belleman

This seems unlikely.

This seems even more unlikely.

Not with what's visible.

You wouldn't, with a trick knee and a cane.

At the risk of getting a further amusing response, can I ask what the field toplogy would look like between each vertical and donut coil?

Assuning flux between the two occurs at right angle and the polarities work in opposition.

Ken Knowles

Tell him we want to see the other side of the array, where the external c onnections to the coil sets appear to be.

Also note that the interconnecting wires are all on concentric circles, I OW "parallel". Their (weak dipole) fields will interact. That can't be good .

Breaks in the windings won't matter that much. I can't quite tell if ther e are breaks in the cores, which would matter.

"Diode... rectified... square wave...". What?

Yeah, OK.

In another post your friend seems to think it's an antigravity machine.

I don't.

Can't tell without seeing the connections on the other side.

It's trying to tear itself apart.

The solenoids produce vertically-oriented dipole fields. The toroids, ass uming their cores have gaps where the windings do, leak horizontally-orient ed dipole fields. The solenoids feel a torque trying to orient them with th e toroids' fields and vice versa.

No wonder the damned thing vibrates. I don't see how the coils are attach ed to the board(s) but I bet they get looser each time the thing is run.

Mark L. Fergerson

Toroidal coils don't have an external field if they've been wound properly (with a non-progressive winding). Gapping the toroidal core doesn't make much difference to this. The toroidal coils are almost certainly there as pure transformers - they won't make much difference to the magnetic field.

That's missing the point.

If the solenoids can bring the toroid material into saturation, there will be some unusual effects, all right. But that's just material nonlinearity, not related to anything one calls "Lorentz force". It looks like a perpetual-motion gizmo (lots of parts, vague principle of operation).

yeah, it's the free energy the device is picking up. It has go to somewhere so the device moves in funny ways.

Ha, but more importantly, mysterious operation. There's some really funny devices like this on youtube.

And, for all we know, the current in each successive circle runs counter to the next.

I assume that means it is a digtial pulse and not bipolar.

You mean it is either optimized to self-destruct, or instead focus that energy into some type iof linear force?

Hence the propagation of the Lorentz force. The stated principle is that this produces an orthagonal compensatory effect that results in weight loss, or vertical lift.

Yes, it would be nice to see the connections.

From what I can tell, the rods and toroids are powered separately. Rather than admitting separate signals, this could simply be to balance the current between them. I notice the wire to the toroids is thicker.

Ken Knowles