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Hmmm- By one count, half the people who have ever lived have been killed by
 mosquito-borne pathogens.  

 ?We have entered a pandemic era,? wrote Dr. Anthony Fauci  
of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in a recent pa
per he co-authored with his NIAID colleague David Morens.  

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/climate-change-risks-
infectious-diseases-covid-19-ebola-dengue-1098923/

Re: Climate Change Is Ushering in a New Pandemic Era
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 12:55:28 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

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We have made enormous progress against mosquito-borne disease. I
expect a lot more.

One estimate is that the world now has a million mosquito deaths per
year, out of a population of 7.6 billion. Tobacco kills about 7
million, and nobody gets upset about that.  

Fauci has let stardom go to his head. That's not uncommon.




Re: Climate Change Is Ushering in a New Pandemic Era
On Tuesday, 8 December 2020 at 14:19:34 UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
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Nobody gets upset about tobacco-related deaths!!!

Have you been hiding under a rock for the last few decades?

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Re: Climate Change Is Ushering in a New Pandemic Era
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 16:29:24 -0800 (PST), " snipped-for-privacy@kjwdesigns.com"

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I don't know of a state or a city that has made cigarette sales
illegal, or that prosecutes sellers for murder. Quite the contrary,
all branches of government welcome the tax revenue and ignore the
details about dying of lung and throat cancer.

The Feds get about $12 billion a year from tobacco tax. That works out
to about $24,000 per death.


Re: Climate Change Is Ushering in a New Pandemic Era
On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 12:08:49 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
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The US had Prohibition to remind them that banning tobacco wouldn't work. They've ignored that result in the war on drugs.
Australia has enforced negative advertising - you can't buy a packet of cigarettes that isn't decorated with revolting pictures of the consequences of smoking - but you can buy them

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Of course they lose on the income tax smokers would have paid if they'd lived longer. That's probably of the same order.

There's also the interesting point that smoking in a country with a lot of air pollution mostly kills you because heavy smoking disables the mechanism that pushes crud out of the lungs.
Breathing English air - and not smoking - gave you the kind of lung cancer risk in the UK that you got as a heavy smoker in Australia.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

Re: Climate Change Is Ushering in a New Pandemic Era
On 12/8/2020 8:08 PM, John Larkin wrote:
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A thing you notice being on college campuses nowadays even compared to  
the mid 1990s is it's extremely rare to see students smoking.

Re: Climate Change Is Ushering in a New Pandemic Era
On 09/12/2020 02:08, John Larkin wrote:
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Deaths (and economically more importantly, tobacco-related illness)
costs society far more than that.  Tax revenue from tobacco makes
tobacco less costly to society, but doesn't come close to making a profit.

Tobacco is not outlawed across the world simply because too many people
are addicted to it, and few governments are willing to go against that
many of their citizens.

But in most modern countries there has been a steady push from the state
to reduce tobacco usage.  This includes raising taxes, putting warnings
on packaging, raising age limits, banning smoking from various places, etc.

No doubt in the USA there is a random collection of laws that varies
wildly from state to state - with some emphasising people's "freedom" to
kill themselves any way they want regardless of the cost and harm to
other people, and others emphasising people's right to be free from the
harm caused to them personally and to society in general from smoking.


Re: Climate Change Is Ushering in a New Pandemic Era
On 10/12/2020 10:19, David Brown wrote:

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'Simply' implies that's the only reason.  You cannot seriously be  
suggesting that pressure (and money) from those who profit from the  
production and supply of tobacco isn't of significance?

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Cheers
Clive

Re: Climate Change Is Ushering in a New Pandemic Era
On 10/12/2020 12:32, Clive Arthur wrote:
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I am sure that has a solid influence too.  "Simply" was probably not a
good choice of word - problems like this are never simple.


Re: Climate Change Is Ushering in a New Pandemic Era
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 11:19:49 +0100, David Brown

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Not random. Rather, what the citizens of each state want.



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John Larkin      Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.


  

Re: Climate Change Is Ushering in a New Pandemic Era
On 10/12/2020 17:41, snipped-for-privacy@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
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Even in a working democracy, laws are not made to match what citizens
want - that is only one small factor in all the influences that go into
law-making.  (And that's a good thing, of course - giving people only
what they /want/ would be a recipe for disaster.)



Re: Climate Change Is Ushering in a New Pandemic Era
On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 7:29:30 PM UTC-5, snipped-for-privacy@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
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That's actually pretty funny.  lol   Yeah, Larkin just crawled out from under a rock.  

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Re: Climate Change Is Ushering in a New Pandemic Era
On 09/12/2020 08:28, Rick C wrote:
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I think you are wrong here.  He is still living under that rock - with
his eyes tightly shut and his fingers in his ears in case reality and
rationality poke under the rock.


Re: Climate Change Is Ushering in a New Pandemic Era
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 11:22:37 +0100, David Brown

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You guys always switch to juvenile insults when you run out of ideas.

"Crawled out from under a rock." How original of you. How can you
stand to live by ancient cliches?


People who design things need to like ideas. You don't.





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John Larkin      Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.


  

Re: Climate Change Is Ushering in a New Pandemic Era
On 10/12/2020 17:45, snipped-for-privacy@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
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I thought your best designs were purely accidental?

Your obsession with "ideas" is as bad as Trump's.  You both seem to
think "having great ideas" makes up for having knowledge and having
rational thought.  It doesn't.



Re: Climate Change Is Ushering in a New Pandemic Era
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 09:17:28 +0100, David Brown

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The best ideas are accidents. That's fundamental, if you think about
it. Think about it.

Of course, wild ideas must be refined into solid engineering. Not many
people can do both, have original ideas and follow up with disciplined
development. To some extent, both activities can be taught.

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I don't know much about how Trump operates. I like unusual ideas
because they are fun, and produce products that can be sold at a good
margin without much competition.

It's sort of magical, when some bizarre architecture gets put on a
circuit board and works.

Isn't   electronic.design   about ideas? For some people, probably
not. I know guys who basically repackage eval boards.





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John Larkin      Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.


  

Re: Climate Change Is Ushering in a New Pandemic Era
On 11/12/2020 16:36, snipped-for-privacy@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
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I think it is better to say there is some luck involved, rather than
implying they are purely accidental.

Your signature, however, says "The best /designs/ are necessarily
accidental".

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Agreed.


I'm sure you have plenty of good ideas in your electronics work.  It's
your ideas about everything else you discuss here that are much more
questionable.

It's not hard to understand how Trump operates, because he regularly
speaks without thinking (and certainly without discussing it with anyone
who might know better).  He even says explicitly that he doesn't know
much about the subject at hand, but has lots of ideas - that's how he
suggests injecting bleach or shining lights inside people as a cure for
Covid.

You do a similar thing.  You have your wild ideas, and you use them
instead of knowledge, understanding, or serious thought.  And you
regularly take your own very limited view of the world, assume it
applies to everyone and everything, and mix your wild ideas into it - as
an alternative to trying to look and learn.  That's how you get your
screwed-up political ideas, your climate change denial (you are happy
with the weather outside your window, and thing therefore that climate
change is exaggerated), and your ideas about human sexuality and gender.

(Again, I am talking about things other than your work - you clearly
have lots of knowledge of that field and presumably you apply serious
thought to those tasks.)


The ancient Greeks had a similar idea.  They believed all knowledge
could be gained by sitting about thinking and discussing, and not
actually /looking/ at anything.  Modern science works differently -
ideas are important, but certainly not a replacement either for
gathering knowledge and information, for learning from others, or from
thinking rationally.


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That is not engineering.  Engineering involves understanding /why/
something works.  (It's fine to understand it as a group, rather than as
an individual - you can admire and use someone else's design even if you
don't understand it yourself.)

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Repackaging evaluation boards can certainly count as both engineering
and design - it's all about solving the customers' problems in the most
appropriate way.  A good engineer creates something that is good
/enough/ - and that he or she /knows/ is good enough.  If you come up
with a crazy idea that lets you design the "perfect" board, then unless
it gives the customer the results they need faster or cheaper, you are
failing as an engineer.  You are just taking their money to spend on
your own fun and entertainment.  Similarly, if you take crazy ideas and
make something that works "magically", you are not designing - you are
gambling.

Of course sometimes a customer is looking for something special -
something that is not easy to make, and it takes some good ideas to get
what they need.  Or good ideas let you and the customer work together to
create a product beyond what they had imagined - or cheaper, more
reliable, or better in some way.  That's great, and that is certainly
part of the fun of the job.

Re: Climate Change Is Ushering in a New Pandemic Era
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 18:09:51 +0100, David Brown

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System dynamics is universal. When politicians do truly stupid and
counter-productive stuff, it's often obvious.

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Got a first-hand citation for the injecting bleach thing?

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Wrong. I just have the wild ideas first.



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You are such an old maid. Your emotions entirely overpower your
reason. Well, that's normal.



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John Larkin      Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.


  

Re: Climate Change Is Ushering in a New Pandemic Era
On Friday, 11 December 2020 at 09:46:05 UTC-8, snipped-for-privacy@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
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"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177


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Re: Climate Change Is Ushering in a New Pandemic Era
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 10:01:40 -0800 (PST), " snipped-for-privacy@kjwdesigns.com"

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A disinfectant is something that inhibits infectuous agents. There are
some being developed now to supress covid-19. They would be injected.

He didn't say "bleach."

I believe there are blood treatments that involve UV exposure, albeit
outside the body.


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