Graphs of current vs voltage (or power) for incadescent bulbs?

Jun 06, 2005 48 Replies

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One other point that might be important. These PYH resistors might have too much of an S curve, since they're designed for overcurrent protection. I think you can straighten it out by putting a resistor in parallel.

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Charles

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The Wien-bridge circuit is named after German Professor Max Wien (1866 - 1938), whose name is not spelled Wein. (Wien, pronounced "veen", is how the city of Vienna is called in German, whereas Wein, pronounced "vain", means wine.)

Consult for more information on Max Wien.

Did your "intermittent" bulbs show this effect only when used in the Wien-bridge oscillator? Then your oscillator may have suffered from "squegging", a common problem when these circuits are run at higher frequencies and at low lamp power.

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The lamps were intermittent and could be measured on an ohmmeter, as the bulb was plinked wsith the finger.

A much better match is: Wein, pronounced "vine", means wine. Sorry.

Austrian pronunciation is often quite different from Prussian... and if you take Yiddish too, which is a dialect of German with Hebrew and Slavic words thrown in, 'vain' is probably quite accurate. Vayter, nokh un gletsl vayn... oy!!

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Many years ago, the use of a simple pilot lamp was common to regulate current to crystal oscillators and maintain the gain in precision sine oscillators. The filament resistance is almost linear with a positive tempco from cold until just before the lamp just begins to glow. As the lamp glows brighter, the resistance grows by a factor of 10. Lamp life is reduced by something like the fifth power when you go beyond the rated voltage.

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I did not read these sites, but I surely thought that 11th power was a little on the optimistic side of reasonable for life as a function of voltage, with "usual figures being around 12 to 13, and "alarmist" citable figures being 14 and even 16! And that this went both ways when the lamp is not a halogen one.

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As for disadvantage of designing incandescent lamps to last longer: Suppose you got for free some magic lossless transformer to feed your 120V lamps 110V from a 120V line:

These lamps would have power consumption reduced by about 12% and light output reduced about 24, maybe 25%. Increase your electric bill by almost

16% to restore original light output and *how long* would the lamps have to last in order for you to achieve savings?

How about some numbers guessed by me: You originally had a 60 watt

120V lamp ("lightbulb"), and now you apply 109V to a 75 watt 120V 750 hour one that at 120V produces 1190 lumens. At 109V, the 120V-75W one consumes 65 watts and produces about 875 lumens, close to usual (870 lumens) for a 120V 60 watt one designed to last 1,000 hours.

The 75W 120V one at 109V should typically last, using -13 as an exponent, about 2600 hours. The 120V 60 watt 870 lumen one typically is designed to last 1,000 hours at 120V. Over 1,000 hours, that extra 5 watts of electric power consumption, at USA typical rate of 10 cents per KWH, costs 50 cents. If lightbulbs cost

50 cents you break even if you make them last forever at 109V - but with aging at about 39% of that at 120V, the break-even point here is if lightbulbs cost 50 cents /.61, or about 82 cents apiece. In my experience, I never had to pay more than 40 cents apiece for "regular" (A19) lightbulbs since I know a bit how to shop for them. One hint: Lowes!

There were congressional hearings sometime back, I believe in the 1960's or the early 1970's, into the "short" design life expectancy of "regular" A19 120V lightbulbs. It turned out that designing filaments to run hotter, even to the pouint of lasting only 1,000 or 750 hours, was economically justifiable even if no value was placed on labor for replacing lightbulbs.

- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)

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