Inductive resistors

** Hi all,

the self inductance of WW resistors has been a hot topic here - as makers rarely specify how much inductance their products have nor publish impedance curves.

For most WW resistors over a few hundred ohms, inductance issues rarely arise - but for ones under 100 ohms and in the larger wattage ratings, it can be wise to check.

One resistor is this category is sold by WES Components under the code "

100W8 " and is a 100 watt ( free air rated ) tubular ceramic type, wound with a 2.3 mm flat strip conductor. The wind diameter is 28 mm and the length from beginning to end of the wind is 110mm. There are 31 turns of strip.

The WES catalogue claims they are " non -inductive" but this is complete nonsense.

They make useful dummy loads for audio amplifiers and if submerged in water will happily dissipate up to 1000 watts - being a hollow tube helps a lot with water cooling.

Using an on-line calculator ( see below) gives an estimated inductance of

6.0 uH.

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But as there are significant ( 1.3 mm ) gaps between each turn on the resistor, the inductance value ought to be less than the calculated one. However, the opposite proved to be the case as the resistors show an inductance of 9.4 uH (with a 1uF cap series resonance occurred at 52 kHz).

The reason is rather obvious, when you do one more simple test on the resistor.

Anyone know ?

.... Phil

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Phil Allison
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Pure guess - magnetic former? Incidentally, if that is the case it would make the situation rather messy at high frequencies, where the magnetic material became lossy.

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Bruce Varley

"Bruce Varley"

** Nice, white ceramic tube - as I said above.

.... Phil

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Phil Allison

My guess: whatever the wire is made of has a higher permeability coefficient? Tried a magnet?

Tony

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TonyS

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Strange claim, as even a straight piece of wire is inductive (though not very).

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At a guess, that it uses a flat strip rather than round wire. This probably gives a greater surface area of metal around the diameter of the ceramic "former" than round wire , and more of it would be slightly closer to the centre (as it is flat) ?

assuming that this would even make a noticeable difference.

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kreed

On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 01:35:18 -0700 (PDT), kreed put finger to keyboard and composed:

That should be easy to test. Just unwind the 31 turns and stretch them out in a straight line. Then repeat the measurement. I'd be extremely surprised if that was the reason, though.

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Franc Zabkar

"TonyS"

** Good guess.

The strip is highly magnetic, probably a varierty of lower grade stainless steel that is magnetic.

If you imagine a copper wire coated in steel - the idea that it increases the inductance is obvious.

... Phil

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Phil Allison

"kreed"

Strange claim, as even a straight piece of wire is inductive (though not very).

** Nothing strange at all.

There are several ways to wind wire on a tubular former that cancel out all inductance.

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.... Phil

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Phil Allison

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