Re: Google Access Getiing Bad

My ISP provides reliable access and I use free opensource client:

Mike.

Could you translate that line into English please? "

Yeah, when I click on the reply button I do not want to see "A problem occurred while communicating with the server".

past. Somehow, it doesn't seem to be happening."

I noticed.

moderation by content and reputation, which helps get rid of threads like this one."

Please elaborate. Do you mean I should STFU or that this thread would never be necessary there ?

Elsewhere in this thread, you mumbled something about your internet bill being part of your telephone bill. That means your ISP is probably AT&T (also known as the evil empire). Lots of potential problems, some of which I fix on a regular basis for customers. I don't want to get into a troubleshooting exercise right now, but basically, connect to the web server used to configure your unspecified model DSL modem, and grab some numbers. If you have a separate router, you may need to temporarily plug your computah directly into your modem. What you want are the SNR and Line Level numbers: This will tell you if you have too much copper between the CO or RT and your unspecified model DSL modem, or if your unspecified model DSL modem is operating at the limits of its capabilities. Or, the modem could just be too old, has bulging capacitors inside, or is not made for ADSL2+. Also, check the error rates if available. A few data errors are normal, but anything over about 10% of the total traffic in each direction is an indication of a problem.

If it helps, I prefer to be more diplomatic when I'm being insulting. No, it doesn't mean that I'm advocating your departure from s.e.r. It means that Reddit would not tolerate such off topic questions, discussions, and rants. You would be directed to a DSL related forum on Reddit, where you might obtain a more reasonable answer. Unless you keep your questions and replies on topic (and non-political), your comments would probably be disappeared into /dev/null. In other words, topic drift, rambling commentaries, and political rants are not tolerated.

I haven't made an accurate count, but my guess(tm) is only about 25% of the postings to s.e.r. are about electronic repair, which is much better than s.e.d, which is probably 5% on topic.

The personalities of Usenet:

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bill being part of your telephone bill. That means your ISP is probably AT&T (also known as the evil empire)."

Evil empire is right, and in fact that is why we use cellular for all long distance. And they are not an evil empire, they are a monster from hell. Go t chopped up by the Sherman anti-trust act decades ago and just grew up big ger. All that really happened was a bunch of lawyers got richer.

The MODEM was just changed in the last year or so. It is impractical to go look right now but luckily I had the manual on this laptop. It is a Pace 41

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No, it doesn't mean that I'm advocating your departure from s.e.r. "

Well if you did want me gone to most liely would not be offering advice on me keeping my access, which I do appreciate. However I do question everythi ng. Later I will seek out your tools and bring back whatever SNL numbers or whatever, but I doubt that is the problem.

Reason being is that all other internet access is just fine, and I know how to coax it to reload rather than just rereading a page from the cache. Thi s only affects Usenet, and actually I couldn't get it for abiout a month. I called ATT and the guy didn't even know what Usenet is, so I explained it.

Then, as it does now, it seems to just fix itself. Sometimes IE seems to co nnect better but at times I get the same errors. When it was down for a whi le I couldn't get Thunderbird to conect reliably, and by the time it did it seemed like Google did as well.

I'll get whatever numbers I can, in the meantime, the install is thus - the telco wire to the MODEM comes directly off the interface box on the side o f the house. All other things on the line have filters. (a few newer things don't seem to need filters anymore, but they gotem anyway)

The master PC is a MAC and something I would rather not touch if possible. It has the typical RJ-45, as does the upstairs PC which is pretty new, Win

8.1 I think. My downstairs PC is offline right now because of a damaged CAT 5 cable that is getting new ends crimped on. Hopefuilly that will be up by Friday. It is a 75 footer. Hopefully it works because I like having interne t by the bench. The PC I am on now is the only one on wireless. However, wh en Usenet was down on this, the downstairs PC was still connected and had t he same problem. So I doubt it is a problem with the wireless itself.

Now when I go to do this connection quality test, do I specify where to loo k ? Like would I have to point it to Usenet ? I have learned a few things a boutt he internet but obviously not enough, but any weak link in the chain from here to damnear Timbuktu could be causing this problem. Like there use d to be a website called like "speedtest" or something, but when you went t here you accessed their servers etc. and you got an ideal speed based on co nnecting to them, not just any other resource on the web.

Now after a few years ago with all this talk of throttling, I wonder if "th ey" would actually like Usenet killed. Many of these groups are unmoderated and cannot be moderated. they do not like that and we know it. I am not mu ch into conspiracy theories but when you got people from government, indust ry and media going behind cosed doors to talk about shit they do not want u s to hear, and their goal is clearly to enrich and empower themselvees at t he expense of everyone else, what the hell are we supposed to think ?

But I am not going into that shit because of what might just be a few error s or poor maintaining or whatever.

I still would like to know why IE can access this but FF cannot.

I've only had to deal with 3 of these modems so far. One had a power supply problem, but the other two were just fine. Officially, it's NOT a modem. It's a "gateway" which is what both AT&T and Comcast are calling their boxes that have everything conglomerated into one package (modem, router, ethernet switch, and wi-fi). The default IP is 192.168.1.254. Point your browser at this IP address and see what you find on the status and diagnostics pages.

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No problem as long as you don't question my advice.

I just checked out Google Groups on my DSL line using Firefox. It seems to be going VERY slow. I click on s.e.d. to list the available messages and it's taking 2 minutes to load a page. Some of the obscure groups never seem to load. Same problem with Chrome, and Opera. IE8 doesn't work because Google complains "You are using a version of Internet Explorer which Google Groups no longer supports". I switched to my neighbors Comcast connection and find the same problem. Kinda looks like Google Groups is the problem.

Like I said, I don't want to go into a public troubleshooting exercise on this, at least not now. Bizzzeeee.

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No problem as long as you don't question my advice. "

Yeah.

is 192.168.1.254. Point your browser at this IP address and see what you find on the status and diagnostics pages. "

Did it months ago when this was an ongoing problem. Everything was fine. It said anyway...

Then later there was a real outage and I somehow screwed something up royal because then it took my sister over half an hour on the phone to get it ba ck up. tha tis when the network cable to the Man cave failed and I saw the MODEM was turned upside down. Looking it the really poor condition of the w ires going into the RJ45 connectors and knowing the cable has beeen throgug h hell led me to believe it has an open wire. That plus the Man cave PC say s "A network cable is unplugged". Amd I ean that cable really has been thro ugh hell. tomorrow I find out if they recrimped it for me. If not I might j just walk out of work and tell them I am going to Walmart to get one or som e shit. I no longe put up wioth lip service from employers. In fact even wh en I was a teenager the boss once said "You act like you are doing us a fav or coming in here" to which I replied "Isn't that why you pay me ?", and si nce then I have only grown bigger. And badder, and more sharp. Actually, io t is almost time to contact my old employer, after a year when he pissed me off, see if maybe they could use some of my time. these people were a trip , nice I guess, mostly, but dumb. Bring me an effects box that is clearly m eant to work in an effects loop of a mixer r amp and trying to use it strai ght off the guitar, and the complaint ? "Noise and clicks when changing mod es".

Usenet is different, but out here in the real world I have very little resp ect for anyone. Out here I have only met one tech I could really havee a di scussion with.

seems to be going VERY slow. I click on s.e.d. to list the available messages and it's taking 2 minutes to load a page. Some of the obscure groups never seem to load."

My problem doesn't seem to be speed, but that error. But then I have probab ly a doifferent OS, Vista here, you probably have 10. But I am actually on IE8 right now and it does bitch, but then it works. My FF is a very old ver sion, below 20. What I have heard is tht 23 is about the best version to ha ve but I was having trouble finding it. Even the places that have older ver sions said here is the file but then when I went ot install it it says "Vee rsion 45" or whatever it is in. I want 23, no higher from things I have hea rd. Plus the fact alll I see in newer versions of software are features rem ove that I used to use.

But then sometimes FF works jusrt fine. I'll have those numbers soon. shoul d I close al browsers and start fresh or will this work OK with my usual ha lf dozen or more tabs open, and now two browsers because of this horseshit ?

on this, at least not now. Bizzzeeee. "

Fine. So far so good, you gave me some pointers and now I have to use them. I'll get back to you, that is if I can of course.