Gas discharge bulb

Because he heard I was good at fixing things, a guy with a silk-screening business asked me to look at one of his lights.

It's a backup unit so not crucial, but he said no one in town can fix it and it would cost a fortune to send it back to the factory. He was told that it's old and obsolete and even the factory would probably not be able to repair it anyway.

I told him I'd look at it, but there was a good chance it would be ready for the scrap heap when I got done.

It had "complex" circuitry and as far as I could tell, it first applied a "lower" voltage to the bulb (perhaps 230 volts). Then after it warmed up, would boost the voltage to 600 or so.

I know nothing about gas discharge lights, I was wondering if anyone here has an info. As far as I could tell, they emit a lot of UV.

He told me that when he first started his business, he had a home made

500watt halogen light that worked fine...it just took 15 minutes to do a burn and he wanted to do things a bit faster.

After I gave up trying to repair it, I removed the bulb and sockets and retrofitted halogen fittings and a 230v 1500 watt bulb.

He has not tested it yet, but the thing is too bright to even look at so it should work.

But still I'm curious about the gas discharge lamp.

It's tubular and has no filament.

Reply to
philo
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I don't know anything about your particular bulb, but as far as I do know, most gas-discharge bulbs require an initial high voltage strike to ionize t he gas, which can be followed by a lower maintaining voltage. Neon bulbs an d nixie tubes work this way -- they become essentially constant voltage zen ers once ionized. A series resistor typically provides the current limiting and drops the excess voltage.

I think other forms of discharge lamps work in a similar fashion. However, some sort of electronic ballast is used and is more efficient than using a resistor.

Reply to
Terry Schwartz

Thank you.

The best I could do with the unit was to get the bulb to light dimly...maybe equal to a 50 watt incandescent at best.

I had no schematic and the wires were a rat's nest.

Reply to
philo

Difficult things to test other than by substituting , both ways. Be very aware, the strike voltage is of the order 5,000 volts, repeated until something like full current passage.

Reply to
N_Cook

Forgot to say, because of the 5KV initially, for lash-up testing with known good supply / known good lamp, you need extra sleeving around the hookup wires.

Reply to
N_Cook

Are you sure about all these details?

From your description, I'm thinking this could be a Mercury short-arc lamp. Check eBay item 201564167114 and see if your bulb looks something like that.

If so, it takes a high voltage to strike the arc, and then runs something like 4 A at 60 V or so, for a 200 W lamp.

Mercury short-arc lamps (as opposed to Xenon lamps) have a couple of really STRONG UV lines that are good for exposing photosensitive materials used in the screen printing industry. And, WATCH out for your eyes, the UV out of these things can be BRUTAL! ONE minute exposure will give you a blistering sunburn.

There are other exposing lights I've seen that had a zig-zag tube like a tiny neon sign lamp. I've never seen the power supply for those.

Jon

Reply to
Jon Elson

The high voltage was not working...I was getting 600 volts max

Reply to
philo

It is not one of those, thank you, I will post a photo later. There is nothing inside that I can see.

At any rate, if this halogen lamp works, it will probably be safer

Reply to
philo

yeah, we need to know what type of lamp really. Telling us the light colour would be a start, and over how long the brightness increases.

NT

Reply to
tabbypurr

Found a part number , it's this

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It seems to be a 5000 watt lamp

Reply to
philo

HID lamps aren't my thing, but I believe they take a huge voltage spike to start. Halogen will give a small fraction of the output at that wavelength, increasing process times hugely.

NT

Reply to
tabbypurr

He said that it could do a burn in a minute or two but he does not need to go that fast. He is hoping to do it in less than 15 minutes...so I will have to wait for him to test it to see if it works at all.

Thank you

Reply to
philo

Be very careful with that lamp. They are under very high pressure and can explode if dropped or scratched.

Reply to
tom

If it doesn't work, I'd check all those alternate part numbers in your link and see if any of those lamps could be matched to a ballast. You might be able to source a stand alone board. Or email companies like Ushio and see if they can help.

Reply to
John-Del

Thanks for the warning, I'm going to wrap it carefully and put it in a safe place.

Reply to
philo

OK but I hope the halogen lamp I have in there does the job.

Reply to
philo

Note also numerous warnings about "DO NOT TOUCH" Finger oils on the bulb can cause catastrophic failures.

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Fox's Mercantile

Thanks

That much I knew, I wore clean cotton gloves.

Reply to
philo

5000 W?? YIKES! OK, there should be standard ballasts for this type of lamp. Possibly bulbworks can point you to a source for the ballast. Unless you area REAL electronics guru, a failed ballast would be tricky (and dangerous) to repair.

And, be insanely cautious with this thing, a 5 KW UV light source will take your skin off with just a few seconds exposure. I got a severe sunburn trying to set up the optics with a 200 W short arc lamp, and I was barely exposed for a minute before deciding I needed to pop in a grain of wheat bulb for initial setup.

Jon

Reply to
Jon Elson

At this point it would be impossible for me to put the thing back together again in it's original configuration.

Reply to
philo

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