Engine Management Units

There's not much you can tell from a photograph of limited resolution. Looking at what you've offered, you might re-examine locally:

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I expect these are mostly reflections in the protective epoxy, or flow/tension marks formed in its application, but could be signs of contamination or damage.

Even checking point to point contact is a trial with this stuff.

Vibration produces intermittent faults on assemblies (where the parts don't actually shear off completely) The most suspect parts are those with mechanical attributes - the crystal as previously suggested, the connectors and bulky components. Reflowing the SJ of the latter might be informative - any uncharacteristic loosness in the soldered material of the melted joint is a giveaway.

As previous - an intermittent fault is unlikely to result in repeated DOA symptoms, but it can be recorded for posterity in the firmware, with DOA symptoms, or break small-signal paths with the same effect.

Did you try a reset on the 'dead' unit, before replacing it?

The fact that its replacement didn't involve the surrender of the defect unit (for a discount in pricing) is a signal from the mfr regarding their view on the viability of repair. They are in the most sensible position to do so, after-warranty.

RL

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legg
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Many thanks for that lot above (and the other tips & suggestions others have come up with). I don't think I will have sufficient time at this stage to see this through to the end if it turns out to be tricky; I can't face the prospect of this becoming another saga like the Philips scope turned out to be. :( I'll try to get the back off tomorrow...

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Cursitor Doom

I would say the 2 electrolytic caps.

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Look165

There may be nothing on the back side. I repair (take a shot at) a lot of car electronics from a nearby car dealership (mostly clusters) and have see n some PCMs that are pretty much bonded to the bottom of the pan for heat s inking purposes. Nothing to see on the other side except foil damage if th ere was a water leak.

Never been in a Rover PCM.

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John-Del

I've heard that's a common failure point with these units, but all the electros have checked out fine on this particular one.

Reply to
Cursitor Doom

Check them instead of usisng random statistics.

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Look165

On 16 Mar 2016, Cursitor Doom wrote (in article ):

?checked out fine...? means you tested what? Capacitance? ESR? In-circuit? Removed?

Details!

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DaveC

The ESRs were slightly high (in circuit) but not enough to cause sudden total failure. But they appear to be easily removeable so I'll take them out and check them independently. I should repeat I don't have the time right now to go down every avenue if this turns out to be more than a simple fix; I'm really just trying to establish whether the thing is salvageable at all. However, I am noting down all the suggestions made here for future reference for when I do have time.

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Cursitor Doom

Visually?

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DaveC

No signs of bulging or seepage.

I was just taking a closer look at the board a moment ago under a glass and spotted something that requires further investigation. Going to have to get my stereoscope out of storage for this one. Tiny clusters of what look like *very* fine gauge enamel copper wire clearly bridging across vias in various points around the board and obviously not *supposed* to be there. If they turn out to be conductive, I could be in business! Don't want to get my hopes up on this one, though. Probably just a false alarm but *definitely* requiring closer examination with something more powerful than a glass....

Turns out to get the caps out of circuit requires a 6mm ring spanner which I shall have to procure from a local emporium tomorrow when they re- open. Fortunately I already have a 13mm one for the other ends.

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Cursitor Doom

Try 1/4?. That?s 6.35mm. Might work...

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DaveC

I simply don't have anything that small (apart from sockets which are no good in this case) in either metric or imperial, I'm afraid. It won't kill me to buy one the correct size tomorrow.

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Cursitor Doom

I don't know how the hell you were able to spot those markings from the poor detail in the photo. The last two details you posted show the extremely fine enamel copper wire-looking debris which crops up in other places on the board and across vias and traces. If this debris conducts, it could easily be the cause of the problem. I have to hoist my stereoscope out of storage and take a better look tomorrow. Well spotted indeed. Remarkable!

As for the other bits you found, I'll investigate them at the same time when my stereoscope is set up.

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Cursitor Doom

Woo Hoo! Sounds like tin whiskers! The conformal coat is "SUPPOSED" to suppress the whisker growth, but there are quite a few reports that the whiskers just poke through the coating, they ARE real sharp.

Jon

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Jon Elson

Looked to me more like dye concentrating as the curing epoxy puckered.

Did you ever reset this thing, while it was still in the vehicle?

RL

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legg

So not likely to cause a fault then?

No. I think if the fix were that simple the service specialists who swapped the unit over wouldn't have gone to the trouble of sourcing a replacement. They charged me next to nothing for the job so I trust them.

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Cursitor Doom

Thank you, Jon. An interesting suggestion! But I was under the impression that:

  1. TW growth happened solely inside chips and so was normally invisible.

  1. tin whiskers were invariably silver in colour.

These I have here are like the old kind of enamel copper wire. Nowadays all enamel copper seems to be clear, but back in the day the enamel was a sort of deep plum shade - which is what I see here. I'll do some searches for pictures of TW and see if some match what I see on this board....

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Cursitor Doom

I wonnder how you can determine an ESR visually !

And technically, it's not so easy to measure this parameter.

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Look165

I didn't know modern enamel had gone clear. Sounds like a recipe for confusion! Even if all enamel is now also the sort that turns into flux if you try to solder the wire...

Mike.

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MJC

Must have been pretty strong stuff, to strip colour out of the mask, but no, not a conductive path.

?? Just charged you for the ECU, that they happened to have lying around? Very obliging...

If you trusted them from past work, that's another thing entirely.

RL

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legg

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